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Re: S20 Ranked system brought nostalgia, but is deprecated and outdated now (HOWTO)

@Doc2FX Looks really nice, except for the "10 points for reviving, per teammate, starting round 3".

You would get teams that would get knocked by the ring, and then revived by a teammate over and over again, boosting their points.

If you think players won't abuse easy points like this, look back at S17, where placement was heavily rewarded for placing at least top 10. Rats everywhere.

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  • Doc2FX's avatar
    Doc2FX
    2 years ago
    @Midnight9746 Try that in any game, especially ranked, after round 3, you'll tell me how it goes. 🙂

    Also: could be round 4, but at this point you just trigger a drop ship and you get snapped out in 3 seconds.

    (Also where do you get all those beacons and res points? ^^)
  • Doc2FX's avatar
    Doc2FX
    2 years ago

    Also: I don't use the words "rat".

    There's zero concensus behind that, and having teammates wiped out doesn't mean you should suicide and ruin hopes just cause your kiddy teammates died early.

    Fighting for every point is not being a rat, it's being a tiger.

  • @Doc2FX I meant the teammates who, (off drop in S17), would land in spots, like on the back of the game's banners, on mountains, on cliffs, off the edge of the map, under the map, etc. and would be not moving, (or AFK) for most of the match to gain points.
  • Doc2FX's avatar
    Doc2FX
    2 years ago
    @Midnight9746 Oh yeah. People who actually fight against the "blobbification" of Apex Legends maps.

    Well, if the maps were designed so that it would be possible to properly hide (it is, but only against dumb opponents), I would somehow support this. But long gone is the time of Counter-Striker maps, we need complexity, not deserts with a couple of square buildings.
  • @Doc2FX The players who lose a teammate or two and are forced to "rat", aka "play it smart, as to not get wiped off the face of the earth", those players, I'm not calling a rat at all. They're doing what they must to win. The ones who do that as their first choice, those are the rats.

    Which is in a joke cracked by Conduit in one of her voice lines, which is a reference to how players play the game.

    Conduit: What is everyone's game plan? Hot drop, turtle, rat, or what?"

    For those who don't know what each of those mean, here:

    Hot drop: Landing in an area with 1 or more teams, to fight it out and see who comes out on top. AKA everyone landing at Fragment East on World's Edge. (There's a reason why its called "Streamer LZ", LZ meaning Landing Zone).

    Turtle: Heavy on defense, little on offense, players don't take too many chances and slowly move into the next ring, each closing, (from what I'm understanding)

    Rat: Hiding the whole time, or most of the match in some odd corner or region out in Narnia, hoping to not get found, and wishing for the ring to close over the rat spot.

  • Doc2FX's avatar
    Doc2FX
    2 years ago

    Yup. Which is still probably a huge trace of toxic masculinity, in addition to being particulary dumb.

    On Apex BR, there's no respawn. Teammates have to do that, at worst.

    When you spawn, you get paired against similar chances to win against opponents.

    So, basically, engaging a squad is playing Russian Roulette with 3 bullets in a barrel of 6 from a pistol.

    From death to server-first pattern restart of a game, in between two times when you hit the ground as fast as you get, you need 1:50s.

    If your game is less than 1:50s, you spend 50% time minimum in a lobby.
    If you spend those second on the floor bleeding, you actually have even less game interaction.

    The immense frustration from people who think FPS means TDM in this game is, indeed, immense.

    You're only here to finish as close as possible to first. Anything else is not in the game rules, and is a pure waste of time. I mean: technically, you can use chess pieces in a slingshot, aiming at a target, and call it "playing chess", but it won't be chess.
    The problem here is that within any team game, when you choose to waste your lifetime, you also waste everyone else's.

    And there's no reporting for that. "Sabotage" report points to /dev/null.
    And anyone who spent ANY cent in this game is immune to being banned. Short-term money over player experience growth.

    One of the major flaws in Apex Legends is that the people making it are sclerotically afraid of educating their player base to force them into understanding the rules, and in so, training them at least, so that they can "try" to play the game. I made stats in standard BR mode, out of 200 games, I barely had 20 teammates actually trying to play and win. Guess what: we did top 3 every time with those.

    Back on topic: I thought this would at least apply to ranked. But livestream fame and kids have taken over, bringing the parents' money into the game.

  • @Doc2FX I just tried another push to plat before the next split, but nope, the matchmaking had other plans. I'm happy they reverted the system for this season, but theres a lot of work that needs to go into it, starting with the matchmaking. You seem to have a very good idea of how a rank system SHOULD be, I wonder if they would implement any of it.

    One thing I hope they do is make it to where you can get to your "true rank" a lot quicker, instead of putting you against players of your rank and higher while you're in rookie, silver, bronze, etc. Its really annoying as a solo q' trying to rank up when I get two teammates who don't seem to care about ranking up, and the enemy teams are just diamonds, masters, preds, smurfs, and cheaters.

    The cheating situation is a whole other thing entirely. For starters, a better anti-cheat would be nice. What would also be nice is if the game itself has some flags that get raised when players do things like hitting all head shots, having perfect aim, no recoil, you know, detect the obvious cheats.

    Right now, the anti-cheat just seems to look at people who cheat and goes, "I don't see a cheater :/" It shouldn't require Hideouts to look at every single report, you know?

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