Re: My Sim parents sometimes refuse to hug a toddler back :(

You're absolutely right about childcare not always being fun for the parent/caregiver. I've watched them enough to notice that when parents are really low, their interactions with babies are listless and their tone of voice is subdued, so I don't have an issue with that particular situation. But mostly they seem to be happily interacting with them.

Hugs between parents and children are special though. It just makes me feel terrible for a poor (pretend) toddler have a happy, loving hug offer rejected. :'( 

Yes, I anthropomorphize my cats and mice, too. XD

The toddler attention meter sometimes makes me crazy. Spending 2 hours teaching them with the blocks gives them plenty of fun but no attention?? Huh?? Maybe sometimes it just doesn't register or something. 

To be honest, I've become almost paranoid about having a toddler ask for a hug because it hits the relationship bar so hard. I try not to. But maybe I'll start doing it more often and keeping notes of how often it happens...

I appreciate your reply and I would make a more involved post except for 2 things... 

1- My neck hurts for some reason and

2- My Sims just loaded up XD

~Tyger <3

It's even worse now with the whole "Sentiments" system in place. I just had a toddler try to hug her mother, and not only did the mother refuse, which caused a dip in their relationship, the mother got the "Hurt" sentiment toward the child, the tooltip text for which is: "<mother> feels wronged by <toddler>. and being around <toddler> will remind <mother> of that pain." All this because the mother refused the toddler's offer of a hug. It's asinine. (If anything, it should have been the toddler that got the "Hurt" sentiment toward the mother.)

My toddler asked the parent for a hug and the parent refused, which was bad enough, but then I looked and the parent had a festering grudge against the toddler.  It's heartbreaking to see this happen in my game with parents that are family orientated and good.  A festering grudge for being asked for a hug from a toddler????  That's cruel and I don't want to see this happen in my game as I keep everyone's traits correct to be parents. They have emotional control too, so I don't understand how this is happening.  I've had it happen with two toddlers by the same parent now.  I feel like kicking him out at the moment! Yet it's him that keeps getting whims to have babies!!  I had a pretty bad childhood and like some players, like to play The Sims to live out a life that I would have liked, so this is upsetting.  I took them to the park, they were all having a lovely time playing then BOOM! hug rejected and festering grudge!  What on earth is going on?  This would/should never happen in real life, so why is it happening in a game that I'm supposed to be in control of?

Parent has been kicked out now and a marriage is in ruins.  I really don't know where this is festering grudge and not hugging toddlers is coming from, but there will be no more children (which pains me) until this bug is fixed. Sad times in my sims game. ☹️

@Gednaa I'm sorry this is happening! I had a couple of questions... 

• Do you have any Mods/CC? It so have you tested the issue without them?
• How long has the issue been happening? Is it since a certain update?
• Does this issue happen with any other Sim? I'm wondering if there's a possibility the Sim has something buggy going on, has a hidden trait, or it's some odd whim issue, etc.? 

If it's not a widespread issue and just this Sim bugging out, I would try a few things:

• Try resetting the Sim
• You could delete the Sim and add a new dad and cheat in the relationship.
• You could try adding a Mod that allows you to check for hidden traits and see if that's the issue: Show/Search Sim Info Mod
• You could try saving the family/household into your library and placing them in a new game save and see if this resets the Sim/clears out the Sim's issues/bugginess.

Please let us know how it goes!

@wahini2024 I agree that is sad and frustrating. If there cannot be any glitch found (you could try the troubleshooting steps I mentioned above), and if it is therefore an intended design or oversight, I think it's great that this issue is placed here as feedback and hope that this would then be considered for adjustment in future updates.

It only seems to happen with one particular sim, so I keep the toddlers away from him till they're kids.  I don't see any hidden traits that would make him any different from any of my other sims, as being a boring old so and so, I tend to program them pretty much the same!  So no hidden traits, so I guess a buggy parent.  His identical twin is just fine with kids.  Just the one (called Loveday - the irony!). When the child offers a hug, he puts out his hand and says neeb, neeb.  and the toddler looks hurt. Yet HE has the festering grudge not the toddler!  I do have mods, but they don't do this to my other sims, so it's weird and frustrating.  Thanks for suggestions and I hope if it's a bug it can be fixed.  🙂. Meanwhile no more kids for Loveday and his spouse!  I separated Loveday from his family and put him in a haunted house for two weeks as punishment!  He was very upset, being family orientated.  Nobody missed him.  Angel raised the kids himself and aged them up to children, then Loveday moved back in and nobody seemed aware he'd been gone!  lol

@Gednaa "Meanwhile no more kids for Loveday and his spouse!  I separated Loveday from his family and put him in a haunted house for two weeks as punishment!  He was very upset, being family orientated.  Nobody missed him.  Angel raised the kids himself and aged them up to children, then Loveday moved back in and nobody seemed aware he'd been gone!  lol"

Oh my goodness... I love it! You sound a lot like me in my play style. No shenanigans or mean Sims allowed in my homes. I've been known to hunt down Sims in 'other households' and delete a vampire or two, a mean or evil Sim, etc..  🙌

@Gednaa  and @wahini2024 , that sounds awful!  So sad to have the parents refuse to hug their toddler! 😭
I hope this gets fixed soon!  🤞

@Gednaa  and @SheriGR , In the Sims 2  there used to be Romance Sims (Sims who are afraid of commitment and want multiple partners and to woohoo in public locations)  The game was set up for a wedding between a young adult Cassandra Goth (who I think was a Family Sim) and Don Lothario (a Romance Sim).  Well Don panicked and left poor Cassandra at the alter, so I punished him by getting him married to a Sim I made named Barbara.  Since Sims in TS2 had both Wants and Fears, one of his fears was to get married, so that really did punish him!😅  Despite this he turned out to be a good father! 😲🤣  So he had a lot of wants to be with his children and have them grow up well and get good grades!🥰 In the end he ended up happy, despite the time his pregnant wife Barbara went out to a public venue and a Vampire showed up and bit her, turning her into a Vampire!!!😱🙃 Not what I intended! 😅

@Gednaa  I know you play a lot of Get Famous.  Does Loveday have the "no touching" quirk? 

(Which, since you play that pack a lot you've probably checked, but just making sure.)

I personally think "no touching" shouldn't apply to your family, but since I had to install a mod to prevent my famous Sims from reacting in disgust to family members and pets until they fixed that...

LOL all my vampires subsist on plasma packs, marry, and have children.  They're just normal Sims who don't age or die, skill faster, and have unusual dietary requirements.  😉

Okay, I'm playing Vlad in one save, LOL.  But I gave him an epic makeover, a wife, twin children, and he's now a Proper Celebrity.  He mostly drinks plasma packs but I figured that if the Paparazzi were a nuisance I might let him bite them.  LOL.  I just wanted to see if I could play Vlad in Vlad's house with my usual play style.  (I'm also not letting them have jobs;  they're making all their money from songwriting, painting, gardening, and writing books, so Vlad's career panel says "stay at home Dad."  Vlad has epic bills, btw.)  Vlad is a surprisingly good Dad when I'm playing him.

That said, yes, he's the exception and generally we do things like live on Sulani and send fish poachers away, clean up the environment, save randos with death flowers, etc.  When we were doing Friend of the Animals we went through a phase where we rescued stray pets, nursed them back to health, and adopted them out.  :D

(My friend has done the adopt strays thing as well and has redecorated Vlad's house to be filled with cat trees, litterboxes, etc., and Vlad lives with many kitties as a Crazy Cat Man in her game.)

Also, semi-recently my Sim married Venessa Jeong, only MCCC had her have 3 children with 3 different men and I forgot to check that before they got engaged.  Oops.  They had 7 Sims in the Jang's 2 bedroom Hakim House apartment (Venessa, her 3 daughters, her ex-husband, his sister, and his niece), and I only had slots for 2 more in her fiancee's house.  So I set up Venessa with her 3 daughters in a gallery house in Newcrest, played them until the two eldest were young adult, and then moved her and her youngest in with my Sim until her youngest aged up to YA, and then she moved back in with her sisters.  I've left the 3 sisters marked played and some unrelated Sims of mine are now dating some of them.  😉  (All this because I didn't want Venessa to abandon her children!)

Also, my Super Sim has now done every aspiration except Public Enemy, because I just can't.  (She has the good trait, the Compassionate reward trait, and I'm a wimp.  Also she's a 5 star celebrity with a Pristine Reputation and I don't want her to screw it up.)

@Gednaa , glad my story entertained you!
@xochiquetzl_xkvn , I have a hard time completing the Public Enemy Aspiration!  It just isn't how I like to play. (I usually like my Sims to get along, unless it is for a story, and that is usually just with certain other Sims)  I might try to do it one day, but don't hold your breath! 😅

@PugLove888  Yeah, I did do part of the Public Enemy aspiration in a different save because I was playing the Villareals for Reasons--I made Jacques my "villain" and had him also go to Strangerville and befriend the Mother.  But I didn't finish it.  I don't really enjoy fights, etc.  (I also made Max an A student!)

I usually have no problem with doing Master of Mischief because you can do all the "perform mean or mischievous actions" with funny mischief that other Sims like.  TBH the hardest part is getting people to dislike my Sim! because people actually like mischief.  (Except Nancy Landgraab, so, alas, poor Nancy! she often ends up the brunt whenever I do that aspiration.)  I believe I had my Super Sim and Jacques send people spam chain letters to get people to dislike them.  😉  And then Super went around and charmed them into liking her again, lol.

@PugLove888 @xochiquetzl_xkvn My current sim fired one of his employees (vet) and suddenly now has a 'bad reputation' 😱!! The guy looked like an oompa-loompa. I wonder if he had some hidden trait or something that set this off, as I have never had this after firing an employee. 😬 😂

@SheriGR  Yikes!  My vet fired someone and that didn't happen, but, well.

Vet clinic: opens

Employee vet:  spawns in front of clinic

Employee vet:  starts to run away from the clinic

Me:  what?

Employee vet:  keeps running

Employee vet:  vanishes never to return

We'd been paying for training for her, etc., and I thought she wasn't doing actual work.  She spent all her time playing with my Sim's pets and cowplant.  After the running away incident her satisfaction went to "unhappy," so I said, "Yeah, me too" and fired her.  My Sim didn't take a reputation hit but her relationship with the Sim in question did.

@xochiquetzl_xkvn Lol! Yes, I have definitely fired other vets, retail employees, and restaurant employees. I have fired other vets on this lot also, and this is the first time this happened. I think it may be something weird about the oopma-loompa guy. I think it was a good decision. 😂

@SheriGR I wish you had a picture of this Oompa Loompa Sim!  🤣
And I don't blame you or @xochiquetzl_xkvn  for firing either employee! 😅

I haven't played retail or a owned business in a while, so I have not weird employee stories to share. 😞

But I do much prefer the mischief over the outright mean/evil actions!  Like you said, Mischief is often liked by other Sims, especially the interaction where you give the other Sim false confidence!  😉

@Gednaa  I just remember you.  :D  In this case, I remembered your saying you did at one point. 

I hear you.  I have one save (Super Sim) where everyone is famous and I get really annoyed that my famous Sim's grandchildren can't introduce themselves to their famous grandma.  Like, are toddlers really that awed by movie stars? 

My Super Sim is kind of down-to-earth (aside from being very ambitious about learning and doing all the things) and they were hounded out of the simple tinyhouse in a modest neighborhood where she grew up by the paparazzi and fans, so... yeah.  She'd probably still live there if she could.  OTOH, penthouses are good for that sort of thing because limited entryways.  There are usually paparazzi hanging around the elevator lobby like a bunch of creepy stalkers, but at least they're not walking through the house, wandering around the garden, etc.

I meant react to their famous families!

@Gednaa  I hope so!  I did have a famous cousin drop by recently, and a child "attempted introduction" and did the screaming thing and was locked out of talking to him.  :P  I'd love to see that get fixed, but... yeah.