Aim assist is ruining the game

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There are several issues here that are being overlooked:

First, everyone here probably has different experiences due to sbmm. Chances are we're not all in the same skill bracket.

Second, controller players have only gotten better (as have MnK players) over time. However, controller has evolved more than MnK, where there are now optimal settings to use, better controllers, things to help aiming more such as kontrolfreeks, and cheat devices such as Cronus, etc. which apparently can't be detected. 

As such, I believe that the original value for aim assist, which may have been fine and fair when the game first launched, is probably no longer the same level of fairness that the devs initially intended. 

Mice may have gotten better in some aspects, such as being lighter, wireless, better mousepads etc. But these things don't always help improve aim and sometimes can actually be detrimental. For example, higher DPI levels and polling rates over 1000hz is generally considered to be bad.

Moreover, playing on MnK vs controller at lower fps is noticably less smooth and much more difficult to aim with. I'm not sure why but there's some issue with Apex in particular that I've noticed where moving my mouse causes frame jitter and this happens across all mice, dpi settings and polling rates.

Controller does not suffer from these issues and on top of that, there is a lot of screen clutter that cannot be turned off which aim assist mostly just ignores but an MnK player has to deal with. Aim assist can even track players through things like trees and shrubs. 

Combine all of that with the fact that players move so fast and unpredictable now that it's very hard for someone to track manually, and then you have some controller players using Steam config and neo strafing in your face which is basically impossible on MnK without external configs or programs.

MnK is indeed at a strong disadvantage in this game due to these reasons and while it may be superior in long to medium range, most fights are close range due to the fact everyone plays so aggressively and pushes on a crack or knock. 

Most pro teams are not looking for MnK players these days, and that is for good reason. MnK just can't keep up anymore. If this was the old days with Zipline buildings where PK reigns supreme, it would be a different story.

But then again, the current #1 Pred is MnK so I guess my opinion is invalidated. 

Can you site where you get your information from?

The aim assistance issues are;

Equal time invested to each input do not give the same results in the form of accuracy with weapons, placements of matches, kill to death ratios- you know the break down of every aspect that makes a game competitive- aka- the results, like science are backed by large datasets and are not opinions- controller aim assist superior to mouse and keyboard in, categorically speaking, every category.  in- it’s not even close 

Initially time investments are not even close to balanced either, aim assistance is a baseline of several thousand hours of mouse tracking

Aim assist is software and will always be superior to human input;

- aim assistance has no reaction time meaning the game perfectly predicts which way enemies will evasively move to mitigate damage from shots fired at them

- aim assistance has no fatigue meaning that moving a mouse is more taxing on players both mentally (predicting strafe is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT) and physically mouse is using much more muscle to accurately move and shoot in game. meaning the game gets more difficult the longer you play the game

aim assistance is not effected by visual and audio clutter meaning the  accuracy of shots by the player with aim assistance into effected during combat

Be honest with yourself, do you even know what muzzle flash is. Being in a dark tunnel, shooting through Bangalore smokes, with an L-star, with grenades exploding next to you. The mouse and keyboard player has to deal with lighting issues, in game ability issues, predict enemy strafe patterns, while dealing with muzzle flash, recoil of the gun, and aim punch from taking damage. Aim assist ignores all of those things and gives players consistent god tier aim with perfect 0ms reaction time during the entire in game situation.

aim assist is incredibly powerful and then shifts gears and gets stronger the closer enemies are.

It turns out, in a game that shrinks over time and forces players closer together, this then gives controller players an additional advantage and win condition by design. And then in those endgames that get chaotic and closer, controller gets stronger and ignores all situational disadvantages that mouse and keyboard has while providing consistent godlike reaction time via aim assistance to the controller player. Side note; you can train your entire life and never come close to aim assist, even at your peak. It’s software and superhuman to say the least.

Oh and these results are backed by millions of dollars, global statistics, the literal results of world championships and tournaments which all have player vods, and the professional opinions of the professional players. Professional players in ALGS World Series are playing for millions and the results back that controller is better. Even the best mechanical players in the world are rated lower than the worst of the worst or D tier controller players.

If the statistics, opinions, and results don’t matter then you’re obviously a flat earth believer…

-aim assistance even goes against what ea devs have said publicly in the past, which is, if players have to switch to controller to stay competitive, WHICH THEY DO AND ARE, then that’s reason enough to nerf it

Also, this isn’t a conversation with devs in any other community. Most developers are active in their respective communities and take advice from the best players in the world. EA is unique because they are completely non communicative with its community and blatantly ignore the community. How they manage to not get boycotted is beyond me. No other competitive fps has aim assist because it’s firmware and diminishes what the professional community as calls “competitive integrity”. 

Nobody can deny aim assistance. Pc players on mouse and key and even in the competitive community aren’t even saying get rid of aim assistance. Everybody wants aim assistance to be BALANCED to the competing inputs statistically.

A lot of the apex community wants apex to be a long lasting game but EA has little to no involvement and communication with the community. This compounds when the company has no response to the lack of competitive integrity that persists for years. Largely apex legends is not even considered a fair competitive to the professional community because it caters to aim assistance which again has no competitive integrity.

Fairness is an easy formula and aim assistance doesn’t add up.

@Tspin I'm assuming this is a reply to me but I'm not sure since parts of your reply mentions things I haven't said. Like having a conflict with stats or science when I've only said I'm skeptical of biased opinions. If that part had nothing to do with me then my bad.

Equal time investment won't equal the same results agreed. The consensus opinion is that close range favors controllers partially because of AA while M/KB have the advantage at range. Your last line seems to disagree with that logic but I have no interest in contending with that since that wasn't my original point.

AA is faster than human reaction speed which is why I said its technically a correct statement but meaningless. Anything the game does autonomously is faster than human reaction speed including telling the player when they've taken damage. My problem is that you seem to be grossly exaggerating what Aim Assist can do. There's a world of difference between a gentle slow effect when nearing a target and bouncing your aim to match your target while the player does nothing. I've seen the former not the latter and failed to replicate that effect while fighting against dummies or players.

  -  (if anything allows such a feat obviously I'm in favor of ripping that out of the game but I don't experience it.)

Aim Assist isn't affected by visual or audio clutter but the player is. The more control you have over your accuracy the more they affect you which is why I'm not surprised this is a bigger issue for M/KB. Anything that obscures vision is still an issue for the player regardless of AA but it hurts M/KB more since they have more control. If this works like any older (or probably current) Call of Duty game then the slight pull of AA is enough to give an experience player an idea of where you are so that's another slight advantage. AA won't track a player through smoke/flashes/foliage on it's own though so don't overstate the advantage.

The flash of the Lstar is distracting but dear god the visual recoil of Gibraltar firing a wingman is disorienting. I stopped using it in Season 1 when it looked like the gun bounced one way, the arm shield bounced another, but the actual shot didn't seem aligned with recoil.

My only complaint is with the exaggeration of what Aim Assist can do (which might be do to the differences in values for AA for each system / the performances of the systems themselves / various cheats / or performances on various settings which I refuse to tweak now.)

Heck I'm in favor of separate lobbies. I don't want to see the BS accuracy of a mouse at range and have no idea why anyone would prefer a controller on PC. Eliminate AA on PC and move on in my opinion.

@Tspin Points 1-4 are virtually the same. I don't expect game features to disappear just because a leaf fell into the player's point of view or because the player needs a nap. Drunk or fully sober I expect the game to function the same even if the player's performance drops off dramatically.

Reason #3 is also why I kept saying your points are technically true but meaningless. If you're directly stating that AA works even if the player is tired then that's true... every feature of the game continues to work regardless of the player's condition 100% true. If you're saying that the player's performance doesn't change whether he's tired or well rested then that's BS. 

Conflating the ability of Aim Assist to the player's ability blurs the line of truth to me which is annoying. Seems like you're implying controllers have perfect accuracy even when exhausted and blinded by trees/smoke.

My one and only annoyance is the exaggeration of the abilities of AA. There have been various videos put forward on how AA works on dummies and they have looked drastically different. Since regular controller players don't experience AA to the level of strength that PC describes and test videos don't agree with eachother it's easy to dismiss the argument. 

Could also just be a difference in the class of player we're talking about but low level players don't track well and even good players still need to predict movement.

If you watch the broadcast of progamers playing rank mode on the Tokyo server, you can see cheaters cheating with converters very easily.

Even in casual mode, it's very easy to see cheaters bullying normal players with converters...

As time goes by, many people playing on the Tokyo server are bound to be negative about AA.

You're so wrong it's mind blowing lmao. Please tell me how many hours you have on Mnk? I guarantee you have zero. And if you do have hours then you're incredibly bad and you're in the lowest lobbies where this convo doesn't concern you. You have to be decent or better for this to effect you. Even tho a really bad player can still lock onto a good player and 1 clip them with minimal effort. When professional mnk players who have tens of thousands of hours on mnk are switching to controller by the dozens....there's an issue. Respawn even addressed this many times, they see the issue. They're just too scared to nerf aim assist because 90% of their player base is on controller. 

Hal is 100000% better on controller dude lol you have no idea what you're talking about. He's won multiple ALGS on controller now even though he has a fraction of the time spent on a controller vs mnk. Tons of pros are switching. You have no clue what it's like until you have 100's of hours on both inputs. I used to think the same as you before I switched to mnk and now I realize what these mnk players have been complaining about. Fortnite made a huge aim assist nerf and their game is thriving. There is a reason Apex is dying more and more every day...it's not fun for anyone. I haven't even addressed the cronus zen or strikepacks that are undetectable on PC gaming right now. Mnk players can cheat too but eventually they're banned cuz the anti cheat catches them. There is no anticheat for cronus or strikepacks. You'd be surprised how many controller players use them these days.

They should have never allowed controllers to mingle with mnk in shooter games. Cuz then right now everyone playing on a PC would be on MNK like they should be and it'd be a fair playing  field. But all the gaming companies saw dollar signs and said screw it, lets let controller players play on PC and now its complete cancer. You're very mistaken and need to learn more bud. Switch to mnk for a couple years and you'll see