Controller players.The current state of Aim Assist is awful, its ABSOLUTELY an advantage to play on controller in the late stages of the game, or during any close range engagement. I see the Issue as two fold, the main contributor to the power of aim assist is the built in No-Recoil. The second being Auto-Aim, or as I like to call it Built in Aimbot. I think its sad that anyone can justify having aimbot and no recoil. If you feel like you are at a disadvantage then maybe you should spend the same amount of time as Keyboard and Mouse players to Get Good. I feel like the work I put in to get to where I am with aim and movement was for nothing and that I would do better after 18 years of KBM to switch to controller for the built in aimbot and norecoil.

Bruh you must be absolute garbage if you're getting beat by controller players on PC. 18 years of KBM? I play on console and PC and I would choose PC 100% of the time if my friends werent on console. Like you must be really bad LMAO.

@FaIIenAngeI777 You're kidding right? Aim assist on PC is way too strong, just enter twitch you will see a wave of "Controller on PC" titles all with 20k, 4000k badges at master/predator levels and most of them aren't that good; apex is about 80% close range combat, that means controller will win mostly 80% of the battles.https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/haf32f/when_they_tell_you_aim_assist_isnt_that_strong_on/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=shareI get your idea to keep separated lobbies but let's be real, that will never happen and crossplay will be some kind of pointless with that feature, Apex on PC is already dying and crossplay will give it some life.And if aimassist needs something is a Nerf, from your 40% to 20%, M/K can't compete with the autotracking feature at close range: 0ms response, no prediction movement needed, even at long range aim assist with 2x-4x/3x, 4x-8x etc, is pretty strong, keep console aim assist at 30% to compensate low fps

@nvstrike Since season 4, Apex on PC Is just another console, half the server is filled with controller players, mostly because they switch to PC and destroy their first games full of bots getting ALL Of them their 4k dmg 20kills badges and then they got paired with the top Pc m/K players, i have a K/d ratio of 4 and all i see are low levels 25-200 that destroys everyone at closerange and stop moving while looting, every single match, see my video in the other comment, aim assist is way too powerful.

I am sorry but if you think that a controller has any kind of advantage over m+k you are wrong. Apex doesn't have aim assist strong enough to give an edge to someone using a controller. Long range with a controller is clunky and close range doesn't have the advantage you think it has, especially when faced with the accuracy of a mouse.Besides aiming, keyboard controls just offers movement on a whole different level compared to a controller. It's extremely difficult to pull off the high-level play movement tech with a controller, if not downright impossible.It just seems that you're overestimating your abilities if you find controller players beating you when you are using m+k yourself, and by all means I would encourage you to switch to a controller if you find it so overpowered.

@Yohimbay Aim assist is literally soft aimbot...

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65 Replies

SgtVolcom117
5 years ago
I have seen some crouch spamming from controller players on pc, got say in a couple of year those legends will have no knees XD
Ionzur
5 years ago
@Yohimbay Aim assist is literally soft aimbot...
FaIIenAngeI777
5 years ago
@YohimbayAccording to ilootgames or whoever data mined the files aim assist pull strength on pc is 40% while on console its currently 60%

I feel like pc aim assist should be buffed by 10% and console aim assist should be nerfed by 10% and then all controller users should just be queued together regardless of platform whenever crossplay is added to the game this fall and then mouse and key players should have their own lobbies except for the occasional mixed input premade squads

Whenever a controller user is queued with a mouse and key player they would likely get the same aim assist they get now which is 40% imo its only op close range with a weapon like R-99, mid to long range its mostly up to skill to land your shots
nvstrike
5 years ago
Bruh you must be absolute garbage if you're getting beat by controller players on PC. 18 years of KBM? I play on console and PC and I would choose PC 100% of the time if my friends werent on console. Like you must be really bad LMAO.
audiofilomx
5 years ago
@FaIIenAngeI777 You're kidding right? Aim assist on PC is way too strong, just enter twitch you will see a wave of "Controller on PC" titles all with 20k, 4000k badges at master/predator levels and most of them aren't that good; apex is about 80% close range combat, that means controller will win mostly 80% of the battles.
https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/haf32f/when_they_tell_you_aim_assist_isnt_that_strong_on/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

I get your idea to keep separated lobbies but let's be real, that will never happen and crossplay will be some kind of pointless with that feature, Apex on PC is already dying and crossplay will give it some life.
And if aimassist needs something is a Nerf, from your 40% to 20%, M/K can't compete with the autotracking feature at close range: 0ms response, no prediction movement needed, even at long range aim assist with 2x-4x/3x, 4x-8x etc, is pretty strong, keep console aim assist at 30% to compensate low fps
audiofilomx
5 years ago
@nvstrike Since season 4, Apex on PC Is just another console, half the server is filled with controller players, mostly because they switch to PC and destroy their first games full of bots getting ALL Of them their 4k dmg 20kills badges and then they got paired with the top Pc m/K players, i have a K/d ratio of 4 and all i see are low levels 25-200 that destroys everyone at closerange and stop moving while looting, every single match, see my video in the other comment, aim assist is way too powerful.
E9ine_AC
Hero+
5 years ago
@Yohimbay Anyone can be a controller player tbh and still on keyboard and mouse. Xim grants them aimassist by tricking the pc into thinking the controller is main source of pc use when in reality its mouse and keyboard. Then they also can macro in recoil patterns which combined pretty much = Aimbot. These are people who need dealt with. I am sick of being beamed across the map with perfect shots with guns that normally go nuts at that range spraying all over.
BillyCrash100
Seasoned Scout
5 years ago
I am sorry but if you think that a controller has any kind of advantage over m+k you are wrong. Apex doesn't have aim assist strong enough to give an edge to someone using a controller. Long range with a controller is clunky and close range doesn't have the advantage you think it has, especially when faced with the accuracy of a mouse.
Besides aiming, keyboard controls just offers movement on a whole different level compared to a controller. It's extremely difficult to pull off the high-level play movement tech with a controller, if not downright impossible.
It just seems that you're overestimating your abilities if you find controller players beating you when you are using m+k yourself, and by all means I would encourage you to switch to a controller if you find it so overpowered.
E9ine_AC
Hero+
5 years ago
@BillyCrash100 You are also comparing most likely people using recoil macros with aim assist. Us legit users have to actually fully track players predict movement with our recoil patterns. Not these 3rd party users though. Recoil pattern with Aim assist is literally a soft aimbot
BillyCrash100
Seasoned Scout
5 years ago
@E9ine_AC Yes I agree with you. But they are cheaters, I am comparing how a situation would play out on a PC player using m+k and a console player using a controller, both playing fair without cheats or macros. Not fake m+k users abusing controller aim assist or aimbotters, they can obviously not be included in a conversation like this. Cheating is another issue all by itself.
I did see the video posted above, but that does not translate to real combat. That is pretty much the only situation a controller would be on par with m+k. A vanilla 1v1, few meter distance, flat ground situation. Now, add some variables like different elevation, cover like a wall or a pillar, more than 1 targets at a time, point blank range or a range bigger than the one shown in the video , actual recoil, and the list goes on. (Try using the Havoc with a controller)
Especially in point blank range, which is the complaint of OP, a mouse user can just twitch around a 360 degree radius and hit a target. Good luck doing that with a controller. You are going to be killed long before you can turn your analog stick to even have line of sight of the opponent (with low turning speed), or you are going to overshoot your opponent (with high turning speed).
The accuracy and precision of a mouse just can't be matched by a controller.
I have played shooters for years with a controller, and only ever occasionally get the chance to play with m+k cause I don't have a gaming PC. If I could somehow clone myself, give him a mouse and have myself play with a controller against him, he would destroy me so badly it wouldn't even be funny. Mouse aiming is intuitive, controller aiming is not.