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SirNukem1729's avatar
3 years ago

Apex Legends after 3000 Hours

Right off the bat after playing apex for over 3000 hours I can EASILY say that this game is one of the buggiest and least cared for games I have ever played. And its getting worse every season making it more and more frustrating to play. This game has been out since 2019 and the amount of issues that have persisted over the seasons is unacceptable. 

Whats good:

There are some things I like about this game which is why I haven't quit yet. One of them being the fast gameplay style with movement, I really like movement in games and fast paced games are what I enjoy the most which this game gives (even if the movement revolves around bugs, tap-strafing\, wall jumping, etc.). Second, The guns feel satisfying to use as well, just as they did in titanfall 2 as they are the same guns and animations. Lastly, I like the abilities that each character brings to the game. I feel like having abilities really makes the game more interesting to play.

General Bugs:

I don't even know where to start with this, there are bugs that Respawn has refused to fix since the game's launch like being able to swap weapons by simply pressing interact too fast (you don't even need to hold it for the full duration). The newest map Broken Moon has a bug in Promenade that is straight up an invisible wall where you can't throw grenades through or pick up items through. Like how does this even make it into the update release? It makes me think respawn doesn't playtest the game at all (which they probably don't). Another recent large bug is being able to equip heirlooms without owning them. This is another issue where anyone who playtests the game would IMMEDIATELY see. Respawn clearly knows which players are getting them via the bug (which everyone can replicate) because they are banning those who do. If they know your getting them illegitimately then why don't you just remove them from the player instead of banning their account? This is a flaw that respawns introduced into their own game and are now punishing people for it? I don't see how this is even remotely fair and/or consumer-friendly. Another bug is knocking player's shields bugging and allowing them to be shot head on with the shield active as it keeps clipping into the players body allowing the enemy to shoot the head of the knocked player. Other small yet annoying bugs that have been around for multiple seasons are UI bugs where your inventory will simply be blank (nothing on screen), or the healing progress bar disappears thus you don't know how much time is left before completion. Or when it does appear, it says "COMSUMABLE_PROTO".

Audio:

This is another major killing point for this game as the audio simply doesn't work. At least once per game you wont even hear the enemy behind you until its way too late and your getting shot. Other times audio like ziplines simply wont play. Gun sound effects always bug out, either a silent shot or only part of the audio plays. The music in the game randomly stops and starts when it feels like it. In general this game needs a massive audio overhaul as its just terrible right now. Some abilities like revenant's silence makes the audio so muddy that nothing else can be heard. 

Gameplay:

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, make servers that place you based on input devices. This is at the top of my list in what i wish to see in this game. Like, mouse and keyboard players against other mouse and keyboard players and controller against controller. If you have a party where people are on multiple different input devices then you get put into mixed lobbies. I don't know why console players get their own lobbies and why PC is in mixed but its a very unfair matchup and makes practicing on PC useless because controller players have an assisted feature which means mouse skill is worth much less. Console players get a 60% aim assist! 60% of the aim is being done by the game, if you are on PC with a controller you get 40% aim assist. The aim assist is totally unfair to PC mouse (which btw has 0% aim assist) and controller players can purchase devices that allow players to run scrips when pressing a button to gain an even more unfair advantage. These scrips are clearly allowed as players have not been penalized for using them.  The other gameplay issue is the lack of game modes. THERE IS STILL only 1 other permanent mode, Arenas. Arenas is its own can of worms but there NEEDS to be other modes. Battle royale is dying very quickly and apex is becoming very stale without the addition of another permanent game mode. 

Conclusion:

This game is on a decline because of the poor choices EA and Respawn are making in regard to this game. It feels like all they want is money and don't care about making the experience any better. This game has HUGE POTENTIAL but respawn fails to improve the quality of the game as a whole.

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  • As for the bugs:

    Being able to swap weapons too quickly

    I've honestly never heard anyone call this a bug, nor have I personally seen any reports.

    Being able to switch guns faster can be good in a gunfight, though depends on the person of course.

    (I'd recommend making a bug report on this if you really feel if that's the case)

    Broken collision on maps

    Making maps takes a lot of time, assets, collisions, interactables and so forth.

    Next to that these maps are quite large, issues like these are very specific and can be missed during playtesting.

    Honestly, I don't expect them to throw grenades in every spot on the map.

    Heirloom issue

    Already being worked on

    Not something you would find during playtesting, has something to do with player databases and client interactions.

    This is too specific for them to have tested.

    Users are getting banned because they are exploiting a bug.

    There are users who've done this on accident, this happens and they're recommended to contact EA.

    However those who try to get literally every heirloom by doing this makes it look like they're doing it on purpose... exploiting is a violation of the agreement and therefore bannable.

    Taking away these heirlooms per account takes a lot of time, you don't think they're going to be happy about getting a lot of work from users that exploited this?

    If Respawn accidentally leaves in a bug that makes it able for players to gain extra speed (e.c Ult bug that got Taxi banned), if users exploit this in gameplay then they obviously get banned.

    It's in the agreement that you do not exploit any bugs, discovering them and reporting them is the correct course of action, but using it for your own gain is literally against the rules.

    Knock shields

    Have seen some reports on this, though doesn't seem as common.

    Do note that when you're knocked down that the camera + shield does not give a proper indication of where you are shielded.

    Again, haven't seen a bug report on this for a long time, so if you do feel like it, try making one.

    UI Bugs

    Sounds like something is going wrong with your client or hardware, have yet to see a report on this...

    I'd recommend checking your RAM and storage devices for any issues, next to that repair the game as this can be caused by corrupted game files.

    (p.s don't you think it's kind of unfair to complain about these things whilst you have never created a single bug report?)

    Audio Issues

    These are things that can be present in many games and extremely hard to track down due to:

    • Differences in Audio drivers
    • Differences in Audio devices (Soundcard + Headset itself)
    • Software used for processing the audio (e.c Dolby Atmos)
    • Settings set up in the OS for the audio device in question

    Even if the issue is something the devs can fix, it's usually really hard as it's almost never reproducable and therefore really hard to pinpoint.

    Have you already tried to troubleshoot this issue?

    (I've heard that lowering the frequency of your headset via the OS settings has helped some users with their audio problems)

    Gameplay

    I thought there was crossplay?

    Both PC and Console are mixed in servers together.

    (Yes consoles themselves can turn this feature off, but then they only get matched with other console users who've enabled this setting, which is a small amount)

    And I can understand that aim assist might be getting a lot stronger, especially with the introduction of gyro aiming and flick stick.

    "A group of criminals have constructed a drug lab, the Police is not aware of this, hence why the group hasn't been arrested. Therefore creating drugs must be allowed as they haven't been arrested"

    Well, that doesn't really seem right.

    Yes, users can purchase a device to cheat (which is near impossible to detect), though that does not make it allowed per the UA/ToS/EULA

    PC users can also download cheats, if they're undetectable then that doesn't make them allowed.

    Do note that PC users are able to create .cfg's that allow them to get constant superglides and enable other types of whacky movement, which can also be unfair to the controller users.

  • Being able to swap weapons too quickly:

    you should have to wait the full duration, like I'm in a fight I'm trying to pick up ammo and my gun gets swapped because I double-tapped E on it. Then I die because I swapped to a P2020.

    General Bugs:

    My main point is that this game has been out for almost 4 years now and the number of bugs that are still in the game since the early seasons haven't even been touched yet.

    "(p.s don't you think it's kind of unfair to complain about these things whilst you have never created a single bug report?)" some of these bugs have been plastered all over social media with streamers and such talking about them and nothing has changed. So why would a single bug report do anything?

    Audio:

    This is just an excuse if im honest. Every single other game I have played has had had flawless audio, if there are issues its like 1% of the issues that apex has. And the fact that my friends also have these issues in apex means its a problem with the game not my system and drivers.

    Gameplay:

    I get what you are saying about movement on PC and that's why keyboard + mouse and controller should have separate lobbies don't you think? Its fairer for everyone instead of having to balance aim assist for playing with PC players. The whole thing about detecting these script devices is just plain false, Fortnite will not let you enter a match with said script device, neither will COD so why doesn't apex have this? And also there are a huge amount of players that use full on cheats like aimbot and such, and they obviously dont get banned because I have ran into the same cheater multiple times over the course of a few days. (and YES I have reported them)

  • XHelperZ's avatar
    XHelperZ
    Hero+
    3 years ago

    Swapping weapons

    Okay that's a fair reason, honestly they should just allow us to customize the amount of time we'd have to press it to pick up.

    General bugs

    The only 2 bugs that go back to the start which you've mentioned is the knockdown shield issue and audio issues.

    I've barely heard of users encountering old bugs, even if they are, it's happening to such a small amount of users that it's barely getting any traction.

    Bug reports are important because the team will not look at every video and scan for any issues.

    Social media isn't so easy for them to find issues, they really have to go viral for them to take notice of such issues.

    As for the more recent issues, there have been numerous statements indicating that they are working on it, especially those viral things like the freezing and heirloom issues.

    It seems like you've got a problem with these issues, which is understandable, I just find it a bit confusing that you haven't made a bug report yourself as that would help quite a bit resolving these types of issues.

    Audio

    I've seen so many reports of poor audio in other games from many users, usually it was related to them in some shape or form.

    Not saying it's the case here, though do note that there are others that can encounter these types of issues in other games.

    After all, I've never had any audio issues with Apex, so does that mean it's actually so widespread?

    Have you tried troubleshooting certain audio issues already?

    Gameplay

    Yeah, giving the options to split off from crossplay might be good, though it's still not something that can 100% be avoided.

    Users on PC can just plug in a controller mid-game and use that, which kind of defeats the purpose.

    Companies typically don't share their security systems, so if Fortnite and CoD have found a way to block these types of devices then that won't instantly mean that everyone on the market is aware of how to do this.

    And cheaters do get banned, a lot... though there are just too many damn cheaters or the same cheaters that just get past their ban to play again.

    It's a constant war, typically we don't really see a drop in cheaters unless an extremely big breakthrough for the AC.

    (Byfron/Hyperion getting removed doesn't really help either)

  • General Bugs:

     I agree, however, the problem is that when they say "we are working on it" and nothing about it happens. A prime example is Titanfall 2 DDOS attacks. I understand its an older game but they kept reassuring the community that they would fix it, and still have yet to do anything to this day. This lowers my trust is respawn as a whole.

    Gameplay:

    The only thing I want to say is that games like Fortnite have systems where when you enter a game on one input device it CAN NOT be changed mid-game (i.e. Your controller you just plugged in will do nothing, or vise versa). Which is also a great system to implement in addition to input-device match making. And I guess its fair that Fortnite cant share their security software, but that means there's a way and more than likely its some other devs that have developed this security tool so it doesn't need to be created from scratch. As the end user this is what makes me feel like respawn doesn't care about improving the quality and experience for their players because this security software is only beneficial and will be a huge improvement.

  • @XHelperZ
    I haven't really encountered much bugs in apex myself aside from foot step audio, but imo with such a complained about bug already I'm sure hundreds of people have already complained and reported about it. So why add to it??
    In my past experiences on different a game reporting on an already known bug does nothing, but for you to be sent an automated message along the lines of "we're sorry you had to deal with this, but this issue is being worked on."
    I feel very much the same would happen when reporting a known bug on apex due to the already well known fact that ea loves sending automated messages to its customers seeking help.
    (Not sure where you got the info that he never reported a bug and don't really care, I just don't think it's fair to be condescending about it when these bugs (most of them) are already well known)
    All in all I do think you both make fair points.
    Yes, it does need to be fixed and yes it does seem like they just don't care because these issues have been persistent for a long time.
    Also yes this stuff isn't easy, it takes a lot of time, and it's easy to miss things and it's not lost on me that games like apex rely on their player base to report bugs they encounter, not just complain about them in the forums. 
    But when new maps and skins take priority over these old bugs, it really makes you wonder.

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