@Peri_Longbow_plzThis right here ladies and gentleman, is a dumb statement. Maybe you should take a look at the caustic subreddit first before posting as if you know how all caustics play and then comeback.
Before the nerf there were 2 different kind of caustic players. Campers and aggressive pushers with his ult while leaving his traps behind to slow down teams trying to third party. With his nerfs this killed both playstyles completely to the point you now have to hard camp to the end of the game, avoiding as many gunfights just so you can get a slight advantage now at the final circle.
The entire point of the gas is to DETER players from blind pushing and create space. At this current time this does not do this anymore. You actually see any casutics in game now? Most stopped playing him because people are no longer caring about the gas at all and just push through it while having a high rate of success.
It's like saying remove Bloodhound's scan and ult because it makes using a gun too easy. No, its part of the character and entire point of the character being made to begin with.
@BarretOblivion my dear, my dear... I don't have to look at a reddit page for mains. There I will likely find a lot of what is written here: A lack of coherent arguments.
What you say is only half true. I can only go with what I witness in-game. And in-game I see that a vast majority of Caustics play passively and try to rely on their gas to do the work. If there is a select few that do otherwise, I believe you, but that percentage is awfully underwhelming. And I bet that this proactive play style is paying off a bit more than the passive one.
The major problem with Caustic is that his suggested play style is hard to balance by proxy. Camping is an advantageous way of playing the game and usually yields better results. And unless the guy who camps is screwing up hard, most fights are in his favor. I know that is because I camp occasionally as well. By adding things like extra blocking factors or defense factors, you make it more frustrating for the guy who already will have a disadvantage to storm a place. Does that mean we have to remove it entirely? Not at all. But I'm saying that the advantages shouldn't bypass a certain threshold. Which it can very easily do. If you use Caustic for a different play style than what he's originally meant for and it works out a bit less beneficial for you, then you gonna have to deal with that.
Caustic's biggest disadvantage right now is his hitbox. And I don't know how many more times I have to mention that until someone finally acknowledges it, but if his hitbox was smaller, he'd be better in general to a point where he becomes more usable outside of buildings. Additionally, I'd also be up for letting his gas affect targets for 2 seconds after leaving the gas. That would always be a guaranteed 15 damage, plus additional time revealed, plus more slowdown time. So you'd always have a guaranteed 2 second slowdown, DoT and reveal. Fair deal for offensive use aswell.
Bloodhound is already deemed overpowered, and seeing how is usage rate is raising rapidly, he will eventually (probably) end up being nerfed. Caustic's usage rate was also rapidly raising, going from 'Seeing him occasionally' to 'Seeing him every second game' - He ended up being nerfed. So I don't see how this comparison is in your favor.
https://apexlegendsstatus.com/game-stats/legends-pick-rates
@Peri_Longbow_plz wrote:Caustic's usage rate was also rapidly raising, going from 'Seeing him occasionally' to 'Seeing him every second game' - He ended up being nerfed. So I don't see how this comparison is in your favor.
Did you even bother to lookup usage stats. Caustic was about 4% pre nerf, he's dropped to about 2.6% pick rate now. That is not even remotely close to "usage rate rapidly rising.... seeing him every second game".
- DR
Doesn't that just give you anecdotal evidence? I mean unless you are playing over 100 games a day each day at different times to account for biases a site that just shows character statistics is just better than you see.
Caustic lost a lot of what makes him unique when the gas damage went down, the problem I've noticed with caustic is that no matter what they do to him people playing against him will never change their approach whether or not his gas does more damage people run in and fight caustic regardless. It is crazy to me that every time I encounter caustic people are just marching in to fight him pre and post nerf. Thus respawn is balancing him around someone just sitting there in it.
Its always pretty funny when you manage to trap a person and watch them tick away to death. I think the argument is whether or not he should be able to do that I just don't think its that easy to get trapped and killed by old caustic but if you did get trapped it was oppressive. Respawn however by their own admission said that since losing the vision impairment he needed more damage, then they removed the damage as well to the lowest ever. Maybe give the guy back his vision impairment and see how that plays out.
Imagine if respawn could do patches with some urgency that would be cool could try to toggle around caustic a bit rather than having to wait until either the next event or season to see if they want to help out caustic or slap him even harder 🤔.
Can you give a link to that info? Those aren’t even close to the numbers I’m seeing reported.
Community ManagerCommunity Manager
