Caustic's Defensive "Roll"
I truly feel like the question needs to be asked with caustic: What kind of defensive roll does he provide? Problem: Gas is a double edged sword in that it's 50/50 if it provides visual cover whil...
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the gas traps being indestructible were a huge broken problem, as others have pointed out. games were ending with literally just caustic hiding behind his traps with no counterplay because they couldnt be destroyed. and why should their health be buffed to have the same health as something thats entire purpose is to block bullets? i dont even play caustic and i can tell a lot of people here simply have the wrong idea about him. hes not any kind of trapper, he doesnt have some hunter background like bloodhound. hes a mad scientist. the entire point of his character is area denial. ive also seen people in this thread complain that people respect his area denial by immediately backing out, then in the next sentence complain about idiots that push through the gas and fight you anyway. so which is it, do you want people to respect your space, or push in and fight you at a disadvantage? people wont be happy until their character is either invincible or can kill someone outright with their tactical.
someone said they should be able to layer the ultimate on top of the gas trap damage, and i think thats reasonable. i also think his traps should disappear if he moves far enough away from them, say 100-200m. far enough that you arent going to run into one just at random, because thats annoying for the victim, and only provides random evo damage to the caustic and nothing else.
@Geckur0 Actually someone randomly running into a gas trap, at any range, is part of his best qualities. I can see which trap you've triggered, how far away your team is, and even prevent you from bunkering in a building I previously left for a few moments. OR hinder you on your way to ring by filling a tunnel and preventing your advance. These are actually caustic's strong points, what you are attempting to make out as pointless is incorrect and since you said it yourself "I don't play caustic" so asking for MORE nerfs isn't appropriate, because you literally are asking to break his legs without having actually experienced the problems when playing him.
With regards to people respecting or not respecting the gas, the problem is his lategame ranked play is great, just look at his pickrate during ALGS, but elsewhere his performance drops because of skill gap. There are two sides of the spectrum. The cautious enemy players respect the gas, allowing the traps to do the job of area denial. However the reckless and / or skilled player pushes through and ignores the gas. The problem is there is no punishment for this. There is very small consequences for someone bulling past the gas when they know you are at a disadvantage beyond it, taking 10 at best pips of damage. We can no longer put the traps in plain sight, so layering gas traps is even more difficult covering an area, ontop of being basically neutered if the ring should end in an open field, at which point I can't deny an area with anything other than my ultimate, which has a 3m cooldown. His kit is out of date compared to the other defensive legends, most of which have a long lasting ultimate that continues to work while caustic has only one chance to stop you from advancing should the gas traps fail or be useless because of the location.
As for the gas being indestructible I agree that was an issue, as invincible walls are bad.
I don't want to outright kill you with my tactical, I want to be able to defend with something other than my ultimate if you swoop in from behind catching my character unaware. I want to hold down a building properly without having to literally drown my teammates in my own gas doing so (because it hinders allies sight too). I want my damn tactical to be a colour other than lime * green so I can see the damn outline properly.
I want a balanced character database that doesn't take a plural of SEASONS to achieve.
With regards to people respecting or not respecting the gas, the problem is his lategame ranked play is great, just look at his pickrate during ALGS, but elsewhere his performance drops because of skill gap. There are two sides of the spectrum. The cautious enemy players respect the gas, allowing the traps to do the job of area denial. However the reckless and / or skilled player pushes through and ignores the gas. The problem is there is no punishment for this. There is very small consequences for someone bulling past the gas when they know you are at a disadvantage beyond it, taking 10 at best pips of damage. We can no longer put the traps in plain sight, so layering gas traps is even more difficult covering an area, ontop of being basically neutered if the ring should end in an open field, at which point I can't deny an area with anything other than my ultimate, which has a 3m cooldown. His kit is out of date compared to the other defensive legends, most of which have a long lasting ultimate that continues to work while caustic has only one chance to stop you from advancing should the gas traps fail or be useless because of the location.
As for the gas being indestructible I agree that was an issue, as invincible walls are bad.
I don't want to outright kill you with my tactical, I want to be able to defend with something other than my ultimate if you swoop in from behind catching my character unaware. I want to hold down a building properly without having to literally drown my teammates in my own gas doing so (because it hinders allies sight too). I want my damn tactical to be a colour other than lime * green so I can see the damn outline properly.
I want a balanced character database that doesn't take a plural of SEASONS to achieve.
- @Monhulio I have the perfect solution to caustics problems.
1. Increase gas trap health, as of now it is silly, and useless. Newcastle’s tactical has a lot of health, and is also mobile, gas traps are stationary. We just need more health for them, so there isn’t so much of an easy out.
2. Gas trap damage should be a constant 10 damage. This is not as extreme a change as you think. It reduces the amount of time you can sit in the gas without dying from 13 seconds to 10. It makes it more scary to push through making it a more effective deterrent.
3. Make his ult have a large linger effect, it would hit you, then you can exit, and it would linger on you for 3 seconds, decreeing from 10 to 5, then 2. You would also look like you had a little bit of gas around you, for the visual during this.
4. Remove highlighted passive, he is defensive, not recon. Instead, implement healing catalyst, a perk from mobile. It allows for faster healing and reviving while he actively in HIS gas. Passive is an does not extend teammates.
These points form the perfect way to fix caustic, and make him viable.
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