Wow...just wow. 3 times in one match grenades are appearing at my feet and behind walls. so much fun.your game is being ruined by cheaters and aim bots but hey lets get that new event out. your report system is garbo.

@Ghosted_Waffle Pretty much. I keep running into players using OBVIOUS aimbot, wall hacks, and anti-recoil (perfectly tracking, tracking through walls, gun aim is still on weapons like the R-99), and they get to keep playing. The anti-cheat doesn't care AT ALL, and neither does EA, which is shown by how many collection events they keep giving us.

@Ghosted_Waffle I havent seen a cheater in a while now, at least 2-3 splits and the total number of cheaters since S3 can be counted on my fingers. But just out of curiosity; why do you assume that it was by a cheat only because you dont understand how a grenade landed close to you? Have you ever heard of a currently existing cheat that makes grenade go through walls, because I guess thats what you are saying. There are so many other possibilities that dont involve cheats. How do you even know it was the enemies behind the wall that threw it? It could have been a Fuse standing above you or from your flank, shooting them with pinpoint accuracy. It could have been a lucky lobbed grenade etcI just dont get why everyone jumps to the conclusion about cheats every time something they dont fully understand happen to them. Thats why we need kill cam. If PUBG manage to recreate an entire match up to the point you died for 100 players on much bigger maps, then I think it isnt too much to ask of Respawn to do the same. The technology of recreation-based replays has been around since Quake =)

This game has pretty much turned into cheaters only smurphing. Every single "low level" (I'm meaning levels 1-55) are smruphs, with most being cheaters. Not to mention, because you /force/ cross-play on PC users, most of the time, we get these console players who are clearly using xim or strikepacks in the matches, and its either a high level console player /boosting/ a low level PC player, or both are low levels.

@Balladalidila I agree about the part regarding jumping to conclusions, sometimes indeed players are just good, lucky / you make some stupid moves that you don't realize in the heat of the moment.About not seeing hackers... well man either you are semi-blind or you tolerate no-recoil as not a hack. Literally, I could send you a demo of each of my ranked games - currently P4+.Yesterday during ~8h playing time alone I did not manage to take ANY!!! zip line (horizontal or vertical) without being knocked, and I mean I did play well and I have done it before, but yesterday it was just laser-fest.The same applies to Valkarie ult - either people know something I don't but I was shot down a few times during the vertical phase of the ult (one where I am moving already at a very high speed), and every 2nd!!! time in the air hit from 100% healthy to almost knocked.And it all happened in one day just like someone flicked the switch. Ok ziplines I could have theoretically f-up - timing, angles, not jumping/rotating on them, etc. But Valk ult...Plus weird coincidence - what people who are shooting you on those occasions are using?! You can guess two guns they use and I am sure you will be right.***Spoiler alert*** Wingman and L-Star.Recording and kill cam would be a good addition to the game yet if the banning procedure remains the same it would be still pointless as I keep seeing <50 level players that are rocking all kinds of hacks = they just create a new account at best and keep playing. Banning process should be close to instant - people detect a hacker in game, X amount of reports done, the player should be banned from Respawn side - automatically or with human involvement - instantly, not keep running around lobbies for at least a day which you often see in Diamond lobbies when there is a limited number of players via champion squad being one and only throughout the evening/night most of the time.

Here is an example of R-99 no recoil in my opinion - played with this dude yesterday, he had 0 teamwork, poor game awareness yet sure he did deal 2200 damage with 4-5 kills while I had like 1500 with 2+1 or something in P4 lobby (currently full of ex-diamonds).https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1162507212And when I died and spectated him, sure no recoil was super obvious. I confronted him about the fact, dude clearly was not ready to answer my accusations, studdered some random arguments, eventually just said "yeah ok whatever".In the end, dude pushed multiple enemies and died like a public newb cursing on me not teamworking even though I was the one left by him and another dude without cover fire while being pushed by a team of 3 over an open ground.

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Midnight9746
Hero+
4 years ago
@Balladalidila Hmm interesting. Although players in my lobbies don't play like that. Those players seem like real bronze to gold players, my lobbies almost always have full on masters or preds fully stacked.

Guess its just different types of lobbies.
Eshshshss
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Balladalidila please reread my comment 🙂 especially the part " ...an acceptable outcome..." 🙂

My point remains:
- public games = I don't play, I don't count as most people there are playing brainlessly, completing challenges, getting badges or just "having fun", even higher ranked players
- ranked games up till D4 = mostly ok, more often than not you just run into some random full on aimbotter e.g. yesterday I played like 15-20 games and run into just 1 squad which though were clearly hacking (one of those <50 level wonder kids with soft aimbot on, actually almost won them, messed up our team's comms a bit).
- ranked games Diamond 4+ = now this is where I would bet my money on the fact "most people hack", no matter the fact that it is top percentile.

I see the situation in Diamond 4 as similar to what is happening in sports: you train your all life, read books, try out various approaches, follow the latest info, and whatnot. Say you get to a result where you can run 100m in ~ 12 seconds or squat 150 kg which is way above "average" somewhat fit individual.
And here comes a dude who clearly displays a lack of knowledge, all he is preaching is "eat sleep work repeat / no pain no gain" type of bullcrap (similar to what "pro streamers" in Apex do) and he just rushes 100m in 10 seconds which is national result level yet he has not competed even as an amateur or squats 200+kg without even breaking a sweat after say 2-4 year "training"...

The fact that there are people which you see in say NBA, Olympics, top tier competitions and who are considered top 1% or even less does not mean that they do not "hack", they do, we see that over time when cases pop-up. And why would Apex community be any different?

Do all hack at D4+ level - lower level "pros" might actually not, they might just have it all = no recoil like yours (still not 100% sold that is possible), set team 24/7, perfect teamwork, excellent game awareness, regularl daily playtime over 4h, etc. which does bring them to Masters or even Predator level.
Do most of them hack - in my opinion, yes.

The most recent example - I checked the stream of #39 Predator on Twitch who recently killed me in Diamond lobby:
1) he advertises account boosting for money in his profile!
2) his streams constantly contain footage of him exploiting the game's loopholes e.g. dropping granade from inventory while opening weapon crate or switching between his #39 pred account when he has players to play with or going back to his platinum smurf when he plays with randoms
3) as said before he has limited game awareness, usually guided by another dude and also criticized about the fact from this dude's side
4) no recoil is there 100% of a time, even though he mainly plays 301, you can still see it
5) most of his fights go like "hey guys let's go kill someone, a few min later he always finds a squad and wipes them 9 times out of 10" - coincidence? Don't think so.
Eshshshss
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@E9ine_AC I have seen and commented on your clip before - I can do this, maybe I drop 1 or 2 targets more often than you do yet I am say 85-90% there, yet as you saw from my clip earlier I am no way near @Balladalidila level of L-Star control, nor I can beam people in game with R-99 from 50,70,100m which is totally diffent story vs beam you display in your clip.

We are not talking about the level of recoil control which people have on Bronze till Gold level, maybe even Platinum. We are talking about those 100+ meter lasers with L-star, Flatline with close to/zero pixel movement of the crosshair, 301 automatic 100+ damage on all distances etc.
E9ine_AC
Hero+
4 years ago
@Eshshshss It is not easy to do but it is possible. Even I have clips floating around here of me doing it. Recoil control differs on the range its shooting at. Not everyone can do it like we see today but it is possible. I will agree that some do use things to give them this ability. Not everyone though. I am in silver right now and can aim and do those things myself. Ranked means nothing some of us do not play ranked. I do very rarely. So using silver to gold lobbies will not be a good comparison.
Eshshshss
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@E9ine_AC, why I use as comparison Diamond lobbies, is because I think those are the most consistent ones:
- number of hackers per lobby = they are always there
- number of people in a lobby who actually are trying
- level of overall game sense, movement = you rarely see a person who has no clue in these lobbies and when you do you know he/she is 99.9% boosted account or just stoned/drunk

Otherwise sure I agree that there are people with potential to be higher ranked no matter be it Silver or Diamond, who just don't play ranked, but at the same time given I don't play public and arenas, I don't play vs them so we basically know about each other's existence only from a theoretical point of view, nothing useful for the forums 🙂
And to finalize my point/reply to you or @Balladalidila - everyone says "it is possible", yet no one says how.
In my opinion, a player who has mastered recoil control should be able to quantify and identify what it took for him/her to reach that level, and it should be replicable as any skill humans acquire by others - maybe not to 100% extent but at least to see significant progress e.g. with this "jiggling" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8_vqOo9dHw I can't hit all mag to the target seen in the clip, yet I went from hitting <10 bullets to constantly hitting half a mag or more only after ~20 min of training in the range. <- in my opinion clear sign that ok this technique works at least so much that it is not a complete scam, bs, fake news, etc.
E9ine_AC
Hero+
4 years ago
@Eshshshss Yea those tricks do indeed work. All apex guns run off a zig zag pattern. So strafing left to right helps counter that zig zag to where you only have to worry about the rise of it.
E9ine_AC
Hero+
4 years ago
@Kateh8sapex I actually agreed that some cases are indeed using some type of device to remove recoil. Also had mentioned though that some are legit using methods or just tons of hours. I personally have 4800 hours into apex and 21247 matches played I see them daily do not get me wrong thinking i am saying they do not exist. I do though account skill level into some of those.
Balladalidila
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Midnight9746

But just out of curiosity ;lets assume you are correct. You are sorted into different lobbies than me: I get handicapped in Bronze/Gold lobbies whereas you get lobbies of "full on master or preds fully stacked". Why would it be so? Is it because I have worse stats than you? My main is banned (I said the f-word once and got banned for 168 hours =) but this is the account that I played the matches in the clip. Maybe you have 8+ K/D and thats why you get these "full on master or preds fully stacked"? . Or do you buy into the ongoing theme of some of this threads on this forum that suggest that the game is rigged against some specific players and in favor of some?
With respect, your reasoning seems very much like tin-foil hat conspiracy theories to support your argument. I honestly think that we get the EXACT same lobbies when we play solo pubs (the matchmaking is considerably hotter when I play premade duo or trios btw).. And here is a proof of that: This is the jump trail of, I believe the 3rd match in the video... I count at least 5 Diamond trails and 2 masters and this wasnt even the hot drop of the map; at LEAST as many diamond/masters and some preds went down to Countdown and staging before this.
I dont know how good you are, perhaps you are way better than me but it honestly seems to me that this entire "hacker/no recoil" discussion is a matter of RELATIVE SKILLS. Some guy that perhaps has about 1.7 K/D might one clip someone who struggles in Gold and that players thinks he just got killed by a no-recoil cheater... But when I fight that 1.7 K/D, I one clip him before he even lands a shot on me, which happens a couple of time in my clip, and THAT guy think I am a no-recoil cheater. And then I run into the #40 Predator and he one clips me before I even spot him.. Should I also assume he is a cheater or should I accept that I am not the biggest fish in the tank, i.e that just l like I can one clipped and totally out-play some players, so can I get one clipped and totally outplayed ?
Midnight9746
Hero+
4 years ago
@Balladalidila I think you're better, you have more kills than death, broke almost 5k damage, while I more deaths than kills, and my highest is 3,860 damage in a single match.

By fully stacked preds, I mean they all have the pred badge, 20k bomb, and 4k damage badges normally. Its usually a Wraith or someone with insane amount of kills, and I'm here like "why are you in my lobby anyways?"

Majority of the players are either skilled, or you think they're a bot. There's just been some that are way too accurate with their aim and they seem to know where everyone is no matter what.

I still don't understand how you can peak for a half second around a corner, and your armor and about 90% of your health is instantly gone, but when they peak, the most all you can seem to do is like 11-35. I also don't understand how someone can use the R-99 100+ meters away without any actual recoil. People are just built differently, I guess.
CCbathwater
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Kateh8sapex
"Do you think that $40 for three blue skins is too much? WRONG they will tell you its the best deal ever."

If they claim that they are obviously wrong.