I played ranked and got lazered by a Caustic player all headshot, some body, (according to death recap) This guy had 4 kills and 1 assist before killing me, This was quite early in the game at plat rank. At first i thought, well a really good player can do that, even i can at times. But the way i peaked and he almost snaping to me in a 180' .. something was off. I spectated him and <profanity removed> , this guy played like an actual monkey, couldn't track at all, over shot, under shot, a full mag and hit 1 bullet, This happened throughout the whole game ( Yes i spectated him the whole game ) He did not have good mobility, ran and jumped like a bot. He didnt reload, and had no game sense whatsoever. He couldnt hit 1 bullet whilst i was spectating. But hey ! They can't see us spectating in ranked can they ? ..... Wrong, they can and they are. ALL hackers / Cheaters out there are watching when they're being spectated. They know. And here is how He simply toogled his cheat off and ultimately it got him killed after a loooong nonsense of a game-play he really tried to avoid fights whilst i was spectating.Now how to fix this ? Super easy.. Add a kill cam. To every kill, and then the rest of their game-play is recorded to. This will make investigations super easy when people report.This doesn't however fix one problem tho, and that is that Most people don't know this, That cheaters Know that they are being watched. So in most cases, one will spectate , see that the player is average or right out * and leave the game without reporting... To fix this, make people aware of this "hack" i know it might end up being a double edge sword, But also deterrent for new cheaters.Kill cam, and awareness that CHEATERS CAN SEE YOU SPECTATE IN RANKED. Respawn, Please add a killcam, it's not alot of work programming a feature like thatAlso another idéa i read out there; Get lawsuits going like blizzard has, why not copy their method, is it impossible to add this onto the eula, can we at the very least get an explanation to why you can't draw the line to the extreme? Sorry for the novel. But this is a bullet proof fix imo.Please write a comment if you agree or disagree or have another idéa etc.

@PRX_its3 I will support the building of that wall!!

@SDCoreTv cod implemented kill cams, and no it's not as much storage used as u might think, it can be treated as an external memory like twitch.tv has, (After a streaming session everything gets saved "online"), And also, your talking about the multi billionaire company EA. They can implement this if they would spare the programmers for it instead of re-using old content and bs like re-texturing the old kings canyon map etc.And it would most likely fix everything. Will it still be cheaters, Yes, but they would be far more at riskt, like the scripters in League of legends, or the scripters in wow, basically non-existent cuz of their security. EA can do this to. This deterrs cheaters.It's not as easy as 1,2,3, But they had 1 2 3 4 Seasons to do this.

@SDCoreTv also to add , if your not a programmer please don't comment on this, but do you know how Nvidia's 20 min shadow replay work ? There are easy technique out there, and keep in mind that shadowreplay uses 1 gpu from 1 system of any ordinary computer. Of course EA can pull this off.

It's... not easy at all to add something like a kill cam. There's a lot that goes into it. You basically need to track everything going on all the time in the game, constantly capture it, use storage (whether client side or server side) to store this data, and then make it playable both in the client for players to see and in the server so whatever game moderators they hire to overlook that system can review it later if someone gets reported.Would it help? Yes. Would it solve everything? No. Is it as easy as 123? Definitely not.

@Babbediboopi Thats because your streaming bits from your closest local servers compared to the person which the kill cam captured from, They dont have dedicated servers for kill cam mechanics. This is why in other games you experience an off/delay when watching. ALtho a dedicated server for this purpose would cost alot and alot of money, it's possible.

Easy fix for Cheaters, this will solve everything.

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SDCoreTv
6 years ago
It's... not easy at all to add something like a kill cam. There's a lot that goes into it. You basically need to track everything going on all the time in the game, constantly capture it, use storage (whether client side or server side) to store this data, and then make it playable both in the client for players to see and in the server so whatever game moderators they hire to overlook that system can review it later if someone gets reported.
Would it help? Yes. Would it solve everything? No. Is it as easy as 123? Definitely not.
PRX_its3
6 years ago
@SDCoreTv cod implemented kill cams, and no it's not as much storage used as u might think, it can be treated as an external memory like twitch.tv has, (After a streaming session everything gets saved "online"), And also, your talking about the multi billionaire company EA. They can implement this if they would spare the programmers for it instead of re-using old content and bs like re-texturing the old kings canyon map etc.

And it would most likely fix everything. Will it still be cheaters, Yes, but they would be far more at riskt, like the scripters in League of legends, or the scripters in wow, basically non-existent cuz of their security. EA can do this to. This deterrs cheaters.

It's not as easy as 1,2,3, But they had 1 2 3 4 Seasons to do this.
PRX_its3
6 years ago
@SDCoreTv also to add , if your not a programmer please don't comment on this, but do you know how Nvidia's 20 min shadow replay work ? There are easy technique out there, and keep in mind that shadowreplay uses 1 gpu from 1 system of any ordinary computer. Of course EA can pull this off.
Babbediboopi
6 years ago
@PRX_its3

Im sorry but you are obviously not a programmer either if you think that killcams in a BR could work like Shadowplay with the tech of this day and age. NO kill cam can continuously record the last minute or so each and every player on each and every server. Thats just not how kill cam works, either in PuBG, Overwatch or COD. How it works is pretty much how the old Quake replay files did, i.e. it collect data so the game can reproduce the events locally.
And here is where my knowledge of programming ends, because for some reason that I cant explain, pretty much NO kill cams in previous BRs have been able to reconstruct 100% accurate replays. In fact, the introduction of kill cams in PUBG actually made the hack-suspicions even worse since people didnt understand this limitation with kill cams. The crosshair recoil for instance, would look much smoother and controlled in the replay than in reallity (trust me, I compared a reply with a recording and so much was just a little off).
My point is; kill cams should only be used to get a general idea what happened in a fight; players position, general movement, weapons used etc, but when players start using kill cams as a 100% proof what happened, then we are in trouble.
PRX_its3
6 years ago
@Babbediboopi Thats because your streaming bits from your closest local servers compared to the person which the kill cam captured from, They dont have dedicated servers for kill cam mechanics. This is why in other games you experience an off/delay when watching. ALtho a dedicated server for this purpose would cost alot and alot of money, it's possible.
EA_Lanna
Community Manager
6 years ago
Hi @PRX_its3,

Thanks for looking to bring cheaters to our attention and share your suggestions on how you think we could improve with that. A quick heads up, I've edited your post to remove the image as it names and shames another player which is against our forum rules.

I'm afraid we can't process reports made on the forum. We'd need this information to be sent directly to the team investigating these reports. I'll share the steps on how to report Apex cheaters below:

- To report a cheater on console, follow the steps in the spoiler tag.

Spoiler

While in a match, bring up the in-game menu (Tab on PC, Options on PS4, Menu on Xbox One) and open the Squad tab.

Select the warning symbol (“!” inside a triangle) under the player you want to report.

Choose if you'd like to report the player for cheating, or for another reason.

Choose the reason:

Shot me with no line of sight

Aim was snapping to targets

Moving in impossible ways

Ammo or recoil was unusual

Click Submit.

You can also report a player while spectating them after you have fallen in a match.

- source: https://help.ea.com/en-tr/help/faq/report-players-for-cheating-abuse-and-harassment/

- For PC players, you can report players by reaching out to Kamu (a service we partner with to help curb cheating) directly via their website.

Thanks,

EA_Lanna
PRX_its3
6 years ago
@EA_Lanna Thank you Lanna, i've edited the image to not reveal any names. This is not a question about how to report players. This is a genuine thread to eliminate and deterr as many cheaters as possible consistently.

Thank you for the Kamu information tho.
Babbediboopi
6 years ago
@PRX_its3
I might misunderstand you now, but what do you mean with "streaming bits from local servers" etc? My point was that the only way a kill cam can work in a BR is to collect data and then let the client of the viewer of the kill cam reconstructs the sequence locally based on that data. Its not possible from a technical standpoint to actually have a kill cam that records clips retroactively. So it should have nothing to do with streaming limitations etc, since its just a couple of mbs of data that reconstructs the sequence.
And the problem is that it seems to be impossible for any replay or kill cam technologies to reconstruct 100% copies of what really happened, especially when it comes to crosshair position since that would require like 100-150 data points on exact x,y,z position every second. Less than this and the reconstruction would need to interpolate the position for the missing ones and suddenly, the replay isnt accurate anymore. So all Im saying is that a kill cam would probably just increase false cheater accusations.
PRX_its3
6 years ago
@Babbediboopi i mean there's a few different ongoing technologys out there. i'de imagane something as simple as overwolfs replay would do, that is a 100% accurate playback footage, and you can have algorithms that recognizes a death by a player to activate it and have all the data stram onto another dedicated server other then from your or another players local client recordings. Simply put, not use the game client, but create a complete new integrated server that issues only replay frames.

Your thinking in the steps of the default kill camp setup that like old cod, or pubg has. Which by all means i agree suck. Im talking about building something completely new. Companies should try to perfect a working kill cam feature. All im saying, with all the in deph research i've been doing for years, is that it is in fact possible to create an instant and accurate flow. Don't have to tunnel vision onto an already existing technology that devs use, they do so cuz it's easy. Like people use same engines all over in games, easy.
SHB_J3LONEK
6 years ago
@EA_Lanna

I am a regular and experienced player since the beginning of the game and I will say that I have enough of it, every game starting with D3 + has several teams using illegal software, evidence is everywhere. An example is the popular streamers who make daily streams and are above D3 + every day and each game looks like they encounter players with illegal software on their way. Even better .. some of those who have cheats have more than a few hundred games played and more and you do nothing with that. That's how you care about your players, you can see that only money in your head. As some may compete with better than D3 + is very hard because of cheats ... And your report system is a complete ruin so that everyone will report a player with illegal software as you, it still does not reach because seeing a player with cheats who has a lot of games played I can guess that he was reported by many normal players. Don't tell me that some are so good that sometimes you can see that they have cheats but this is not true because you can distinguish between a good good player and a player with illegal software.

A game that is very popular and has a lot of players will be destroyed by cheats if you don't take care of them. that's my opinion

thanks.