"Gun Curve" philosophy is broken and flawed TLDR at the end

Question

There was mention few patches back about not buffing The p2020 and Mos because you wanted to game to have a "curve" so the weapons get better over the course of the match when upgrading parts.

Just wondering if you played Apex before saying this? Because i want to know where the is curve when you get a P2020 and your opponent has a Peacekeeper arguable the best weapon in the game? Sure the purple make the peacekeeper better but barley you can wreck with a normal peacekeeper. When the damage output is so vastly different how is that curve of weapons? To me that so random luck vs curve.

With this said you should either buff the those weapons to make them more in line with like every other weapon.

Or

I think you lower all the weapons time to kill to be about the same in the early game and then make the upgrades change the time kill speed. So that maybe lowering damage of some weapons or reducing rate of fire or something.

This would make the game have the weapons curve that you were talking about and less of the RNG luck.

*Side note* you should do somthing about the peacekeeper and wingman that fact that 90% of the player uses these weapons or looks for these weapons say something about the balance of them.

TLDR

Should normalize weapons time to kill for early game and make the upgrades increase the time to kill to add the "weapon Curve"

Or increase the P2020 and other lower weapons damage to bring them in line with other weapons early game.

Side note Wing and Peacekeeper need some changes considering 90% of the player base looks for and uses the weapons.

d3adc3ii · Answer

- BR is like that. It's all around RNG factors from circle, weapon to loots. But Luck comes to skilled players more often.

- Normalize time to kill damage in early game is a ridiculous idea. There are many ways to avoid early fights until you got a decent weapon, but don't expect P2020 to be as strong as Peace in early game.

armed_n_hamered · Answer

I under stand that BR is like that luck of finding stuff, but if you look fornite and Blackout the Time to kill for all the weapons is about the same. The only thing the upgrades do is rate of fire or reload speed or recoil reduction. Time to kill is about the same even after fully kitted. They don't have 3 super powerful weapons that you can get from anywhere kill everything, The fact the people would rather use the Peacekeeper and wingman over the gold Crab or the mast says something.

Why is balancing out the the weapons so that time to kill is the same a crazy idea? wouldn't you want this game to have more skill to it less RNG luck and hip spray?

vhalei · Answer

I dont know if you have noticed, but the p2020 does about the same damage per shot as the r99. The only difference is RoF and magazine size. you can easily knock someone who hasnt got armor yet in under a second with the p2020. The mozambique can 2 shot an unarmored target if one of 3 shots hits the head, and alternatively if you hit all 3 pellets it does 15 more damage than punching, letting you shoot twice, punch once and knock someone.
The curve being referred to is exactly what you are describing and calling random luck.
You have low tier weapons which are better than your fists if you can aim with them, but you want to swap them out asap. You have medium tier weapons, which are better than the low tier weapons if you can aim with them, and can run ok for most of the match. Then you have high tier weapons, which you want to have by the end of the game. If you survive, you are guaranteed to come across plenty of high tier weapons by the end of the game, and even somewhat likely to come across "god tier" weapons.

f340bd · Answer

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You Nerf Hearders and your lower weapons, What's the point in having the same thing that looks different go play Borderlands 2 that game EVERYTHING is the same only the numbers change with the level they didn't even try to have morphing models etc

luckycanuckluke · Answer

@Vhalei&nbsp;wrote:I dont know if you have noticed, but the p2020 does about the same damage per shot as the r99. The only difference is RoF and magazine size. you can easily knock someone who hasnt got armor yet in under a second with the p2020. The mozambique can 2 shot an unarmored target if one of 3 shots hits the head, and alternatively if you hit all 3 pellets it does 15 more damage than punching, letting you shoot twice, punch once and knock someone.The curve being referred to is exactly what you are describing and calling random luck.You have low tier weapons which are better than your fists if you can aim with them, but you want to swap them out asap. You have medium tier weapons, which are better than the low tier weapons if you can aim with them, and can run ok for most of the match. Then you have high tier weapons, which you want to have by the end of the game. If you survive, you are guaranteed to come across plenty of high tier weapons by the end of the game, and even somewhat likely to come across "god tier" weapons.That's the whole problem. The guy making this post can't aim. It's the usual "I died, you need to change the game" post&nbsp;

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