@SolitaryMassacre The problem is, it's not just luck! Yes, that triple was luck, but not when it came to weapon damage! It was luck in the "time and place" sense, but the weapon did the same amount of damage it was gonna do anyway, not to mention, I've gotten more double kills with that gun than any other (except the Devotion), and with that gun, my enemies have little to no time to react. Even with my placement and the lack of skill from my enemies, it doesn't change the fact that a single mag from a gun was able to down an entire team. I too play on PS4, and I rarely see anyone else use the Havoc ('cause, I'll admit, I use the Havoc a ton, although, my opinion about it varies from moment to moment (not about the fact that's it's a little OP, but the "fun" factor of it)), so it's not really a problem for me (it's the PK that annoys the living daylights outta me), but I do feel like I'm cheesing my way through fights when I'm using it (kinda same with the Hemlock, but it's not as much of a spray and pray weapon). Also, I'm not saying this gun should take priority over other things in Apex (PS4 servers, PK, etc.), I'm just saying that the mag size is too much, I do think that the energy ammo buff was a good thing, though, but anyway. If I were to nerf it I'd reduce the mag to 24 shots, decrease the wind-up and leave the rest where it is, keep it as a higher skill weapon to use, but instead of a ton of ammo that you can spray, make the wind-up shorter, they could make it 28 shots, but 24 is still more than any other AR in the game.
