Why is there a charge time to get the Havoc rifle shooting??? The Volt can just fire immediately and, well, its f-ing good. If the Havoc didn't have such a long charge-up time, maybe it would be a good gun... Other than that, it's absolute garbage on console.
totally agree! And not only on consoles, also on pc.
most of the time you have to run, find the spot and shoot at the enemy and all of this in seconds, but with the havoc, you can't 'cause in that second till it starts firing, the enemy could be already behind a cover or somewhere else.
This gun is completely useless for the most part. Its onyl good for the start of a match, where everyone either has no shield, or just the white one.
Try hip firing then ADS after about 6-8 shots. You will lazer people. Also go into firing range and use it until you can consistently hit shots. It is one of the best guns in game with the turbo hop up.
It is weirdly accurate while tapfiring with the turbo hop-up on as well. Even when hip-firing!
In my experience of playing, I can only count on one hand the amount of times I have had or seen the turbo hop-up for this weapon. If it was as abundant as the double tap or hammer points, maybe it would help the weapon be more viable... other than that, it is still useless without a golden hop-up.
Recoil is also horrendous on the Havoc as well.
@StarMystro It can be a good surprise weapon for some users, I agree... but where I have an issue is the recoil pattern is not easily compensated after firing for .33 seconds. Having to do a hip-fire for a split second, then ADS to get the most DPS is not advantageous in anyway when battling another squad or multiple persons. Another issue is the ability to 'stun-lock' people when firing. I cannot seem to make people flinch enough in a battle with this weapon to win the encounter. Even if I had same shield level and full mag of Energy ammo, they can still down/eliminate me faster because the flinch doesn't make them miss enough... compared to other weapons.
If I can get someone off guard with this weapon then it can get very useful, but I cannot justify the use of this in most lobbies because there are better weapons at all ranges.
Examples in my opinion on Xbox:
Close --> Mastiff or Alternator / R-99
Mid-close --> R301 / Volt
Mid-long --> Valk / Hemlock
Long --> would use this at long range period from the recoil... but Triple Take, G7, etc.
I don't see this as a viable weapon, unless it's the only one I can get on initial spawn or respawn.
There needs to be an update (probably wont be any time soon) for this and other weapons on recoil, TTK and other aspects that show why vast majority of players on a given interface (PC, Xbox, PS4, etc.) don't play with specific weapons.
Hope you are kidding?
It shreds with very little recoil. Ofc not a gun you can do much movement outplays with without a turbocharger apart from tricking someone to follow you around a corner and stand ready and wound-up as he appears =)
I agree with you completely. volt SMG fire spread is overkill and it is much more consistent, but havoc is a rifle that has horizontal spread!!??? this is very stupid. havoc is worse than volt smg for mid range shooting while havoc is the rifle! which means it is the one that has to be good in mid range not the volt.
havoc should feature lower fire rate with more consistent shoots without turbo charger. this completely fixes the overkill damage it has over time.
also rampart should not need turbo charger for the devotion.
The Select-Fire/Alternate fire is a pretty sweet mid-long range sharpshooter that you can't quite get from any other gun though? That's not touching on the base Havoc- I know, but, that's one plus that I really enjoy about the gun though. I rarely see people use it sadly... It deals a decent amount of damage and since it's an instant beam, it's easy to land the shots.
