Improve the flow of the game

Or........ go play a Death Match game because thats exactly what you're describing? 

It is more like a deathmatch game, yes. I don't say the looting is all bad. After a couple games played it just doesn't feel like the current system makes much sense. I mean .. the whole area is littered with items - why?

Also it is way too big. Most of the games you are just busy running around to either get in the circle, looting stuff or sprinting half a mile to get where the action is.

I'm not suggesting that all players are constantly fighting. I'm suggesting changing the focus from "walk from loot spawn to loot spawn and pick up dirt 50% of your playtime" to thinking about where the enemy might be and having some objectives to actually be interested in. You know .. engaging survival. Not camping in a looted area where noone will wander around anyways for the next 15 mins if you're lucky with the circle area's 

Make it more about the resources you have. Think about if you wanna engage in a super long range fight - Do you got enough ammo supplies for that? Basically there are only the energy gattling guns and the 099 who are hard to sustain ammo for. For the other weaps you are drowning in ammo. Up to a point where you could remove ammo from the game and just have a reload timer and it would not change nothing in the gameplay after the first 5 mins. 

If there is no loot in any area at all - now looking for good coverage would be also an option. Then you probably have to reduce the circle time in the first circle iterations and prolong the later ones to force the players closer together but not too close. 

All the looting (as is) does is forcing you to spend the first couple mins of every game to find your very basic equipment - there's no value to that. Furthermore If you're unlucky or landed in a crowded area you insta drop out of the game without beeing able to fight back at all. - Not a rewarding expirience. 

I do enjoy the battle royale genre and esp in Apex the weapon´and ping systems feel nice - the voice chat sucks atm but hey - that's a different story.

It's just that some games of Apex just feel empty and the looting doesnt add to the experience (after the first 20 games, that is).

There's no reason to believe that the battle royale genre can't be improved by changing stuff. I'm not saying that my thoughts must lead to an improvement, but some ideas might be worth thinking about 🙂. (I probably ought to structure my posts, sry for rambling .. xD )

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@MalumAnteMachina wrote:

All the looting (as is) does is forcing you to spend the first couple mins of every game to find your very basic equipment - there's no value to that. Furthermore If you're unlucky or landed in a crowded area you insta drop out of the game without beeing able to fight back at all. - Not a rewarding expirience. 

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Believe it or not, but for some Players, this is what makes BR what it is.

You need a bit of luck and a lot of skill to start into a good round.

Also:

improvise, adopt, overcome!

Sometimes you need to change your match-plan. This is also, what I love most about BR - anyting can happen as the start is always different.

If you would start with pre-chosen equipment, it would get boring pretty quick, you would pick the same LZ play the same tactic and every match would be kind of same.

I like how it is right now.

You described changes, which already consist in other game modes. If you want to change too much in BR modus, maybe it is just not for you or you have to get used to it after some time played.

I'd limit the "pre" chosable Equipment to very basic stuff. Like a small selection of weapons and only white add ons. The other stuff could be found in those highly visible spawning air drops or maybe as a reward for killing players - also that might introduce a heavy snowball effect which might be toxic. 

Looting corpses would be still an option.

Those two things combined still allow for the "randomness" to be needed for a very good run, but also eliminate the complete fail of a round. It's one thing to get killed beause you suck, but it's annoying to die because you happen to drop in a place with 4 light, 2 heavy mags and a sniper scope but no weapon. Even everyone starting with a monzambique would be an improvement, imho xD. 

Are you guys playing 3h straight? If so, how do you feel about the early to mid game? Perfect as is? Got other suggestions for these or other facettes of this game or even genre in general?

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@MalumAnteMachina wrote:

Also it is way too big. Most of the games you are just busy running around to either get in the circle, looting stuff or sprinting half a mile to get where the action is.

I'm not suggesting that all players are constantly fighting. I'm suggesting changing the focus from "walk from loot spawn to loot spawn and pick up dirt 50% of your playtime" to thinking about where the enemy might be and having some objectives to actually be interested in. You know .. engaging survival. Not camping in a looted area where noone will wander around anyways for the next 15 mins if you're lucky with the circle area's 

Make it more about the resources you have. Think about if you wanna engage in a super long range fight - Do you got enough ammo supplies for that? Basically there are only the energy gattling guns and the 099 who are hard to sustain ammo for. For the other weaps you are drowning in ammo. Up to a point where you could remove ammo from the game and just have a reload timer and it would not change nothing in the gameplay after the first 5 mins. 

If there is no loot in any area at all - now looking for good coverage would be also an option. Then you probably have to reduce the circle time in the first circle iterations and prolong the later ones to force the players closer together but not too close. 

All the looting (as is) does is forcing you to spend the first couple mins of every game to find your very basic equipment - there's no value to that. Furthermore If you're unlucky or landed in a crowded area you insta drop out of the game without beeing able to fight back at all. - Not a rewarding expirience. 

I do enjoy the battle royale genre and esp in Apex the weapon´and ping systems feel nice - the voice chat sucks atm but hey - that's a different story.

It's just that some games of Apex just feel empty and the looting doesnt add to the experience (after the first 20 games, that is).

There's no reason to believe that the battle royale genre can't be improved by changing stuff. I'm not saying that my thoughts must lead to an improvement, but some ideas might be worth thinking about 🙂. (I probably ought to structure my posts, sry for rambling .. xD )

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1.Also it is way too big. Most of the games you are just busy running around to either get in the circle, looting stuff or sprinting half a mile to get where the action is.

You probably never play PUBG, one of the first of this genre. It's way more slower, the map is much bigger, and the players are much much slower. I meant Apex is very forgiving already, the mobility is so much higher than PUBG.

2.Not camping in a looted area where noone will wander around anyways for the next 15 mins if you're lucky with the circle area's 

No, nobody does that in this game. This one i can say for sure.

3.Think about if you wanna engage in a super long range fight - Do you got enough ammo supplies for that? Basically there are only the energy gattling guns and the 099 who are hard to sustain ammo for. For the other weaps you are drowning in ammo

im wondering if we play the same game, ammo is the least thing we should worry about, it's ... everywhere.

4.All the looting (as is) does is forcing you to spend the first couple mins of every game to find your very basic equipment - there's no value to that

It's BR, the first min is for getting stuff.  It's what people love about this genre. I tried many BR games before, from PUBG, Island of Nyne, Blackout, BF Firestorm. This game's looting is just right compare to others.

That's why BR is not for everyone. You probably should try PUBG to understand the struggle, then you probably will find Apex is not that hard to find item, and does not take that long to loot.

@MalumAnteMachina 

What about an event where as you suggested each player dropped with a minimal load-out. They can still choose where they want to land but this time there would be more dropships to make sure the squads were spread-out. Again as you suggested no loot bins. Instead there would be the alarm sound and the announcer would say "warning supply drop imminent" and there would be some supply drops around the map and the players would have to go and fight over them using the stuff they had at the beginning until they can get more. 🤔

1. You probably never play PUBG, one of the first of this genre. It's way more slower, the map is much bigger, and the players are much much slower. I meant Apex is very forgiving already, the mobility is so much higher than PUBG.

Yes, I've never played it before. Even if it is better - is it perfect? Can't it be improved? Not trying to be disrespectful but comparing two things, declaring one beeing superior and taking that as a reason that it cant be improved further is kinda well .. flawed reasoning :D. 

2. im wondering if we play the same game, ammo is the least thing we should worry about, it's ... everywhere.

Precisely. And that's kinda boring. There is no shortage at the moment. You can basically spam bullets all day long. Which makes the concept of Ammunition obsolete - most of the time. It just takes up inventory space. 

3. It's BR, the first min is for getting stuff.  It's what people love about this genre. I tried many BR games before, from PUBG, Island of Nyne, Blackout, BF Firestorm. This game's looting is just right compare to others.

That's why BR is not for everyone. You probably should try PUBG to understand the struggle, then you probably will find Apex is not that hard to find item, and does not take that long to loot.

I'd comment the same as in the my first point. It is better, yes. It doesn't take THAT long, agreed. But does it add any value to the game experience? It is exiting to find some legendary gear every now and then - okay. I get that. Beeing forced to pick up 2 stacks of shield cells and med kids, finding your basic body shield and helmet, simply smashing the e button while looking at the ground - well. Not that exciting. On a side note: If you play with randoms, I see many players getting killed, bc they're so focussed on looting stuff that they dont notice anything else. 

Don't you think, that making loot occure more rarely whilst spawning with the very basic needs would make the looting feel more rewarding and less tedious? Instead of chosing a loadout there could be a random set of loadouts to spawn with - that would also circumvent the unnessessary looting. 

I inteded this thread to be about brainstorming impovements - because there is always something you one can make better as it is 🙂. 

Yes, might be a good idea to seperate the playerbase on those modes. That's what I like about the elite system, they got going now. The new players and quite some times heavy looters can be found in the basic mode while the more combat oriented players - and sadly campers who just care about keeping up with their win streak :/ ( I once found a whole squad camping on top of a random tower the whole game ) - are playing the elite mode.