Inventory Change and Loot nerfs
The purpose behind this patch was to reduce grenade spam at the end of the match, the idea is fine but I think the nerf of ammo from 80 to 60 is an extremely bad move. Even reducing the amount of shi...
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@Dokuganryu699
It doesn't "* me off" it makes the game extremely boring and not fun to play. All of you use the phrase "flush them out" etc, but you are missing the fact that the grenades (especially arc stars) do so much damage. If you are anywhere near it you get 70 damage done. Its like 5m I think. Not to mention the fact the arc stars slow you down like crazy. Even if they do 20-30 damage, YOU ARE STILL SLOWED DOWN!! You become a sitting duck and with how strong all the weapons are, its so easy to drop them
The best grenade in this game is the thermite. That grenade isn't "OP" or "UP". It is perfect. You block someone's path and if you run through it, you get a little damage over time, its not instant. I don't even think it slows you down so you can still get away. But you drop like 3 arc stars in the same area, you have to remember that the first one will go off, slowing you down (even if it only does 3 damage) but guess what, now the second grenade goes off, that one does 70 damage. OH YAY im slowed down again! :D Now the 3rd one goes off, does 70 damage again! Wooo. 143 damage. One shot from a longbow I am done, one shot from a sentinel I am done, one shot from any sniper I am done. How is that "strategical" you just threw grenades down that is all. You didn't shoot me, you didn't sneak up and ambush me, you just dropped grenades from miles away. And with the little arc that is drawn, it is so easy to plant grenades.
My problem is that grenades (mostly arc stars) are too OP. There are other ways of solving this than limiting players to 2, but I think that makes it better because you have a specific grenade pouch and it won't take up precious inventory. In reality, you don't need that much ammo in this game.. I always panic if I am under 100. But I have won matches with less and am starting to let myself carry more heals instead of ammo.
@Sir_Named
Those "ton of grenades" won't flush him out, it will drop him. And for the person who threw the grenades, how was that skill and tactical? How was that being smart? Being smart in your situation would be to ambush them. Draw them out. Shoot out his traps, run around the back (there isn't only one entrance to a building) and get him that way. Or even shoot through the windows. To flush someone out in your situation only requires one grenade. That is a tactical play, that is using your brain and being smart with the situation. By limiting grenades you make it more tactical and a smarter play then just tossing grenades.
Just the same as you can "camp" you can also corner someone with grenades, even if they are in the open. That is not playing smart. I am all about playing smart but use some skill and thought into it. More thought than just lobbing grenades.
Again, I mostly am talking about arc stars, not frag or thermites. So like I said before, there are other options to solve the problem I bring up.
It doesn't "* me off" it makes the game extremely boring and not fun to play. All of you use the phrase "flush them out" etc, but you are missing the fact that the grenades (especially arc stars) do so much damage. If you are anywhere near it you get 70 damage done. Its like 5m I think. Not to mention the fact the arc stars slow you down like crazy. Even if they do 20-30 damage, YOU ARE STILL SLOWED DOWN!! You become a sitting duck and with how strong all the weapons are, its so easy to drop them
The best grenade in this game is the thermite. That grenade isn't "OP" or "UP". It is perfect. You block someone's path and if you run through it, you get a little damage over time, its not instant. I don't even think it slows you down so you can still get away. But you drop like 3 arc stars in the same area, you have to remember that the first one will go off, slowing you down (even if it only does 3 damage) but guess what, now the second grenade goes off, that one does 70 damage. OH YAY im slowed down again! :D Now the 3rd one goes off, does 70 damage again! Wooo. 143 damage. One shot from a longbow I am done, one shot from a sentinel I am done, one shot from any sniper I am done. How is that "strategical" you just threw grenades down that is all. You didn't shoot me, you didn't sneak up and ambush me, you just dropped grenades from miles away. And with the little arc that is drawn, it is so easy to plant grenades.
My problem is that grenades (mostly arc stars) are too OP. There are other ways of solving this than limiting players to 2, but I think that makes it better because you have a specific grenade pouch and it won't take up precious inventory. In reality, you don't need that much ammo in this game.. I always panic if I am under 100. But I have won matches with less and am starting to let myself carry more heals instead of ammo.
@Sir_Named
Those "ton of grenades" won't flush him out, it will drop him. And for the person who threw the grenades, how was that skill and tactical? How was that being smart? Being smart in your situation would be to ambush them. Draw them out. Shoot out his traps, run around the back (there isn't only one entrance to a building) and get him that way. Or even shoot through the windows. To flush someone out in your situation only requires one grenade. That is a tactical play, that is using your brain and being smart with the situation. By limiting grenades you make it more tactical and a smarter play then just tossing grenades.
Just the same as you can "camp" you can also corner someone with grenades, even if they are in the open. That is not playing smart. I am all about playing smart but use some skill and thought into it. More thought than just lobbing grenades.
Again, I mostly am talking about arc stars, not frag or thermites. So like I said before, there are other options to solve the problem I bring up.
@SolitaryMassacre Well, how else would I flush out the Caustic? The only main counter would be a Crypto EMP, and even then he can place more traps afterward and/or use his ult. Sure, you can shoot through the windows, but the Caustic will just stay away from them and put his traps out of the way. Plus, if you keep shooting, you are likely to get 3rd partied.
Besides, if it’s a medium sized house, one grenade won’t be enough. The Caustic could hide behind some terrain inside the house, or change floors.
Sure, I could try some 500 iq play and flip flop around all the entrances, but that would take a significant amount of time and effort just for a single Caustic, and it could even get me third partied.
Sure, you could get arc stars landing all around you, but there is usually some kind of cover, even in a relatively open area. Even if there isn’t, or you can’t get to it, you have legend abilities. Many legends can reduce or nullify the effects of grenades using their abilities. Granted, getting hit by grenades deals a lot of damage, but getting one shot while low with a sniper isn’t unusual. The Sentinel can 2-3 shot you normally, the Longbow takes 2-4, and other snipers are around that. The point of snipers is to deal a lot of damage per shot. Heck, with just one of any grenade, the Kraber can 1-shot you to the body. You don’t even need the grenade if you hit head.
Also, if you are getting grenade spammed from long range, your teammates should be able to revive before the enemy can reach you.
I also don’t really see how it is just arc stars. Frags actually do more damage, and knock you back a little. If they threw 3 frags in the same area as you, it would seem like it would have a similar effect as 3 arc stars.
Besides, if it’s a medium sized house, one grenade won’t be enough. The Caustic could hide behind some terrain inside the house, or change floors.
Sure, I could try some 500 iq play and flip flop around all the entrances, but that would take a significant amount of time and effort just for a single Caustic, and it could even get me third partied.
Sure, you could get arc stars landing all around you, but there is usually some kind of cover, even in a relatively open area. Even if there isn’t, or you can’t get to it, you have legend abilities. Many legends can reduce or nullify the effects of grenades using their abilities. Granted, getting hit by grenades deals a lot of damage, but getting one shot while low with a sniper isn’t unusual. The Sentinel can 2-3 shot you normally, the Longbow takes 2-4, and other snipers are around that. The point of snipers is to deal a lot of damage per shot. Heck, with just one of any grenade, the Kraber can 1-shot you to the body. You don’t even need the grenade if you hit head.
Also, if you are getting grenade spammed from long range, your teammates should be able to revive before the enemy can reach you.
I also don’t really see how it is just arc stars. Frags actually do more damage, and knock you back a little. If they threw 3 frags in the same area as you, it would seem like it would have a similar effect as 3 arc stars.
