Pathfinder Nerf!? Excessive!

You say he had it coming but now not only does octain have constant stim with a short brake off a couple off seconds between stims, his jump pad time is shorter and to be fair pathfinder was the only one who could Chase him down. Now he's just a rust bucket.

His Hitbox was broken for seasons on end. Everyone would run and  if you were good you would slingshit in front of people every 15 seconds. Nah im good. Excessive or not he is getting a rework im sure he will get something.

Great post with a few exception.
Wraith teleport gives her 25% speed boost, and her Phase actually give her speed boost as well. I don`t know what game you actually playing to not notice this things.

I was explaining the same thing to 3 or 4 Wraith mains, that were in delusion that she does not get a speed boost.

Stop talking nonsense. Pathfinder was used from the very beginning in actually 99,99% of the time in every fu***** team that play competitive. 

Octane has zero, ZERO pick in competitive play. He had zero pick in high to top to pro level of play, when they are going for the wins, and not joking around.

Octane stim actually hurt him, you know that? His tactical is just to recover his lost HP. So you have 2 abilities, that if you think about it, its actually a 1.

His stim gives him a boost, but as escape mechanism its sucks. If you don`t believe me, go on and play him. 
He was my main for more than 3k games, and if the opponent know what he is doing, he will shoot your a*** no matter if you have stim or not. Octane is not hard to chase. And he actually lose HP for that, you get that?

His ultimate is utter garbage and everyone who is unbiased know this. It doesn`t give him anything. If you use it as scout and enemy see you, your hp/shields are gone. He is f***** immobile in the air. You can strafe a bit, but you are an easy target. Like shooting a duck in the air. 

Everything i use my ultimate trying to escape a gun fight i get myself killed. I have a higher change to escape with a running.

Every PRO players out there know and said this. His ultimate is garbage and even if they make it 0 seconds cd, it still going to be garbage.

Octane actually have a big sh***** broken hitbox head, that actually hurt him so bad, unlike Path that has non existent head, you know this ?

So even if they overkill Pathfinder a bit, it still going to be fair, because he was a top 2 pick from the very beginning of this game.

So i don`t give a s**** if Pathfinder players will suffer now, because they were abusing and OP tactical for so long.

I feel Mirage mains, Octane mains, and to some extend Bangalore and Bloodhound.

The first 2 was top 2 bottom and i don`t see that changes, and Bangalore and Bloodhound are just lesser version in this game. There is way better pick than them.

I`m f***** unbiased and all i care is overall gamebalance.

I don`t care for a single legend to be overpowered so i can abuse her.

I was maining Mirage at first, Octane and now i`m Bangalore and Wraith main. Will try Loba as well. Tho Bangalore is kinda a lesser Wraith version. Crap and slow ultimate, meh tactical and kinda so-so passive.

So i`m sorry to not feel your pain, about a balancing a character, that was overused and his tactical was completely OP for so long.

From a paper stand from 15 to 35 sec may sound a bit harsh, but they let you abuse it for too long. He should have received this nerf long time ago.

He did not get more nerfs lets said to his ultimate or to his momentum using his tactical.

It just a CD nerf, that was needed. 

Right now skill will shine, not just mindlessly spamming it.

And don`t forget that you can do so much with his tactical, it was so much OP.

You can completely escape with 1 move, you can easily chase every single legend in the game. You can position yourself at the best possible position for the fight you going to take, you go to places that no one else could go as well.

His passive may seem useless to you, but in a top to pro level, and esp at tournament its irreplaceable tool, you get that?

And yeah you actually need some skill to use his grapple, but when you mastered, it gives you so much. 
Can name you so much Streamers and PRO players that abuse his tactical to insane degree.

And for the normal person to feel good with it, you need like few hours at the firing range, and no more than a day, to actually become very good with it.

And finally i don`t just sh*** on legends, because you see i get killed certain amount of time by a certain legend or s**** like this, but because i want to play a balance game, where all the 12 legends are viable. And you should see that i said VIABLE, not equal.

Pathfinder was probably number 1 or top 2 legend, before this upgrade, now he is top 3 still. So again good job Respawn with this tuning down.

For one last time and i won`t write this again.

When you are maining certain legends, and obviously talk nonsense, this is not speaking good for your level of play, you get that?

This is a copy/paste from my other post:

Portal still gives you 25% speed bonus. Its fun that you main her, and couldn`t notice the difference.

Normal speed is 299(no weapon/holster) with her portal her speed become 418.60, way more if you slide jump and so on.

Your tactical alone increase your speed to 327.14, and if its a during your ultimate, your speed becomes - 446,74.

Just go write +cl_showpos 1 in the console and this will show you the Movement Speed Values and so on, and then come back and explain how they remove her speed ....

Firing range is there for a reason.

Wraith is perfect now. She is still a top 3 legend.  

I`m actually maining her now, but maybe put her on hold, because i`m in love with Loba right now.

Wow dude your so good! It's so easy for you, but maybe not for others.

Fact is it doesn't operate itself. You need to plan ahead to use it properly and the odds of you messing it up are pretty good. Like I said it's high risk sometimes high reward. I've played path since day one so maybe I know a little. And yes, the basic concept of using his grap is easy, but being able to apply it In real time situations when tension is high and there's multiple teams around is very difficult to use in a way that helps the team and doesn't get you killed.

His abilities are useless Indoors and there is high chance for user error every grapple. He is the only legend with either of these issues.

They need to buff other legends to "catch up" that's fine and a while other story but nerfing path wasn't the way. 

This really got me thinking on the state of this game and how its changed over time. The original idea for this game was great, but what it has become is not as much fun for me. All this game ever needed was to fix the sound/hit reg. A lot of times less is more and in apexs case this is definitely true for me.

When they released the original map last season for that 2 day limited event I realized how much better the flow of the game was. It played like how it was originally designed. The design has been altered so much it no longer resembles its original self. All the changes to the maps, added weapons and legends, I dont like any of it honestly and i know some do and that's great but for the most part I feel like changes are made not for the game itself but to create a hype for new players to pump out that profit.

Beta apex > current state

You are writing the same stuff, Wraith player was written after the nerfs she get, and guess what she is still a top 2(still don`t know how strong Loba is, so maybe top 3), and she is still picked 99,99% of the time from every single team.

Path is the other one. He was clearly a number 1 pick, after the last Wraith nerf, and he is still top 3 legend for sure. At worst, if we add Gibralter and Caustic(newly buffed) he is top 5.
And top 5 out of 12 is great. And even more great that he is a top 2 pick, from the very beginning.

You were happy to abuse a legend, thats the reason. But other people who used other legends wasn`t happy. There was all over the place threads with Pathfiner grapple cd nerf, and people finally get what they want. It is well deserved nerf, its not even nerf, but tuning down an OP tactical, that has insanely little cd. On paper it make look harsh from 15 to 35, but they got it right.

They actually let it stay for too long with that short cd.

The game is a shooter after all, and this should be most important thing. Abilities are there to help for certain situation and for building strategy, but not to be abused, being completely OP and to be a game changer, as it was the case for so long with Pathfinder grapple and Wraith phase.

And every legend has it + and -. Many legends are useless inside. Some are beneficial from inside play, and other from outside, like the Path. Caustic is useless outside for example. So your point can`t stand the case.

Bangalore ultimate for example is completely garbage and she can use it only on outside, you know this ?

Pathfinder was too much of a pain, and 20 or 25 seconds wouldn`t change that. You should not be allowed to escape a fight multiple times.

Whether or not the nerf brings balance is of secondary importance IMHO.

What matters most is that grappling is fun(arguably the most fun ability in Apex), and reducing its use is to reduce fun.

Not a good direction to go.