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Re: Casual is POINTLESS

I mean they won't be in your lobbies that long in ranked, and in pubs, I get preds in my game, so what?

Who are they supposed to play with if they are removed from all casual lobbies?  So their game should be limited because you don't like to lose?

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  • Its called a balance. Simply put. 
    imagine doing anything amateur and then playing against professionals? Or for example your children etc.

    its competitive  bias for preds etc. And the fun really has been taken out the game.  I can handle losing when the its an equal playing field. Not when servers favour american hosts/players.  Being shot from impossible angles, impossible movement, behind cover and still die.

    so yeh, i report everyone of them.

  • Balladalidila's avatar
    Balladalidila
    Seasoned Ace
    5 years ago

    I agree with @Irres169.   When I play pubs as a solo, I might have 1-5 current or ex preds/masters in my lobbies but that is totally acceptable. If i want a challenge, I drop hot with them but if I dont wanna sweat, I jump somewhere safer. Seems to me that too many people on this forum call everyone who is better than them for "sweats" who they dont want in their lobby but they have nothing against having player worse than them in their lobbies hrmm. 

    In my opinion, skill is gained by getting your butt kicked by those who are better than you and as you gradually become better yourself, you are also gradually becoming the one who is doing the butt kicking, i.e being rewarded for your skill progression. Imagine how unrewarding it would be if also pubs had a strict sbmm and all the players in the lobby would be exactly as good as you. Everyone K/D would progress towards 1 and every match would feel as ranked.

  • NewfeelinQc's avatar
    NewfeelinQc
    5 years ago
    @Balladalidila Yeah right put us against people with thousands of hours in this game that plays all day everyday when most of us are just casuals lol, learn, learn to get destroyed instantly. The only real thing im learning is how to run.
    "Imagine how unrewarding it would be if also pubs had a strict sbmm and all the players in the lobby would be exactly as good as you. Everyone K/D would progress towards 1 and every match would feel as ranked."
    Thats exactly what lower skills levels players are experiencing and its doing great
  • eltorro7's avatar
    eltorro7
    5 years ago

    Ha ha. Clearly dude you are below 25.

    I haven’t got time to put thousands of hours into this game. I don’t have mummy and daddy paying my bills. I have a life, i work and wanna relax playing casual.

    I can guarantee there are no preds/masters above 30 unless they get paid for it as a living.

    and by your theory you should gamble against a slot machine because you will win eventually 🤣

    or playing against a premier league football team when you are an amateur sunday league football, yeh you will get better 🤣

    or by fighting Canelo alvarez or tyson fury as someone who’s had two school fights in your life, yeh you’ll get better 🤣🤣🤣

    bless you have tried with your reply though…

    lastly the reaction speed and time of a 14-21 year olds is far quicker then a 30+ year old. And with reaction speeds like that they should be doing far more with their life but hey that society now nobody actually wants to work for a living they just wanna stream and play a computer game and then loads of money that way when they will actually benefit society doing something more constructive with their talents

  • @BalladalidilaSome of us don’t want to improve, we just want to casually play the game and have fun... In my regular lobbies I would constantly die but I at least had a chance and in these new lobbies where everyone has 4k badges and 20 bombs and crap I have no chance... I think the issue was because I had a 6 arena win streak so whenever I went to pubs its like oooh this kid won 6 games in a row I should match them with really skilled sweats when arena should not affect BR matchmaking at all... also when you win a game in arenas you shouldn’t go to BR and be the champion squad 

  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
    Hero+
    5 years ago
    @TheApexLegendNub Sadly games don't operate this way. While some want to just sit back relax and play for fun they are heavily outnumbered in a 2-year-old game who want to play competitively. The game will have much higher skilled users being its age. As I have said on other posts the casual average user heavily outnumbers preds/masters. People act as if they should not be allowed to play together in pubs because of their ranks. So what I gather from most who say this is. I want to have fun. I dont want the preds to have fun. Only I matter.

    Imagine queue times for the top 500 in the world preds sometimes more. Those numbers are so low compared to average users that they would be screwed trying to find games at all.
  • @E9ine_AC Masters and preds are basically the same, preds just play more and last season had records numbers of masters than any other seasons. Im sure if u put all masters and preds together they wont wait that long for a match
  • @E9ine_ACThen I will just keep instantly leaving until the game is playable and Im not getting beamed from someone I can’t even see yet

  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
    Hero+
    5 years ago
    @NewfeelinQc You also have to take into account regions, countries and more. This can highly effect pings latency and more. So even if there are a bit of them forcing them to disadvantages such as connection issues would be rough. Most matches you only see around top 5 master/preds who a lot times die off drop or kill the lobby. Which is normal we all die. We are not untouchable or cant be killed. Over all out of 60 players average users still heavily out number the preds in a lobby by 95% ish.
  • eltorro7's avatar
    eltorro7
    5 years ago

    vote with your controller and don’t play it….

    until its fixed. Let me not even go there about graphics card advantages.


    its fun to follow their trails and own them 3vs1 🤣

    however, being lasered at a distance is ridiculous , thats not fun. 

    and the valkyrie exploit in the shooting range. A master had 2000+ kills and half were pistol kills, seriously? This guy should be banned. Whomever did it should be banned…

  • @E9ine_AC I understand in certain region it could be an issue but in others it wont and 95% is not the number i see in my lobbies. Even platinum and gold players are getting match against those guys. A team of plat can get whipe by 1 master easily, even a diamond. If the numbers in some region are too low add diamonds in the equation but platinums really Or even golds like wtf? Apex player base aint that low lol
  • Balladalidila's avatar
    Balladalidila
    Seasoned Ace
    5 years ago

    @eltorro7 

    I dont know if you were talking to me but Im 35, have a 9-5 job and other hobbies than Apex. And I rarely play ranked anymore but usually just bring up main up to Diamond 4 or 3 every split and then pubs for the rest of the split. Why? Because I am like you; "I have a life, I work and wanna relax playing casual", which is the case now when casual is a mix of players of all skill levels, probably mirror the overall player skill distribution to some extent.  But if they made casual with a strict skill based matchmaking, casual wouldnt be relaxing anymore, would it?

    Ps, and whats with all straw man arguments and over exaggerations? The matchmaking in casual is not even comparable with having a premier league football team playing a amateur Sunday team.... If you think thats a good comparison, you clearly overestimate the overall level of the average casual lobby. I would say that a gold lobby often can be harder than my casual lobbies. Yes you will run into a highly skilled player once in a while but most players are quite bad, which this forum is a proof of with all "my random teammates suck"-threads.

    @TheApexLegendNub 

    Well, its not like I am aiming to be a PRO either. I just said that it seems to me that what many SBMM-complainers what is to feel good and skilled without having to work for it. A non-existing SBMM in casual will at least allow you to be rewarded for your efforts because when you get better, you will notice it since skill is relative. This would not have been the case if the SBMM is strict since as you get better, all the opponent also get better.

  • NewfeelinQc's avatar
    NewfeelinQc
    5 years ago
    @Balladalidila Feeling good and skilled is not what we are looking. We want a fair match up based on our skill level, we want sbmm its that simple, dont put words in our mouth lol. Why the sbmm works so good and everybody have a good experience at lower ranks, Why we dont see them complaining? Because they are actually matched with people with the same skill level. You dont mind cause youre a decent diamond player so you can take out many platinum and gold players in your lobbies(thats probably why you stop playing rank once you reach diamond 3, putting words in your mouth lol) but imagine being them.
  • Irres169's avatar
    Irres169
    5 years ago

    @Balladalidila 

    You don't need to justify...I am older than you and I probably play longer than 2 hours some days and some days I may not play at all.

    I am not trying to be pro either.

    But if I play a competitive game I try to get better at it.

    I don't cry about the competition, I just keep at it and work harder.

    It is a personality trait, it doesn't need to be justified.

    I find fun in playing something that is "competitive" well.  And well is determined by me.  🙂

  • You realise we are all playing a game, which does not start as equal right? Due to ping,servers etc. And the fact its an actual computer game….

    why do you think esports  all play on the same servers in the same room? (I won’t go on about PoE either)

    Remember the next time your we lad or girl, does sports day, tell them they have to start 5/10 secs behind whom they are racing. And when they ask why, tell them not to CRY about it and its tough s***

    oh And thrown in competitive bias.

    great advice mate 👍🏻

  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
    Hero+
    5 years ago
    @eltorro7 I made it to pred season 3. I pay my own bills I also do not stream or make a living off the game. I have well over 3500 hours into the game. For some apex is their hobby. They dont watch tv they dont go out and bowl or watch movies. They stay inside and play what they enjoy.

    So some having a higher skill verse those who have other hobbies is going to be in everything on earth. No matter the hobby there will be millions better then yourself in what hobby you enjoy. Some equal skill as well. So to assume people have to put their life into the game is completely wrong. Your hobbies differ from those of us who put in hours to get better at our hobby.

    I am not rich I am a below-average income citizen. I have not put thousands in my computer for gaming. Even if I had lots of money for these things it would not change the fact this game is my hobby and i work hard at my hobby. Just as all the other people do.
  • @eltorro7 Just forget it bro, they only see the game from their perspectives. Ea or Respawn wouldnt give a * either cause we are a small percentage of the player base. They only target the larger percentage and the youtubers/streamers to get more revenue.
  • What prevent you to play in ranked so you get on lobbies with players at your levels?
    I actually tried this for Ranked and felt like I could actually win, unless I met some smurf then rolling over the map, but at least there are less of them.