Re: Caustic Season 7 Changes are bad.

I also like this change. Caustic was one of the most annoying characters to fight against, only topped by Wraith. He already received a buff by making his gas not affect Team mates. That's quite an advantageous factor that people seem to ignore.

Gas still slows.

Caustic still sees opponents highlighted

Gas does more damage

Opponents can now see you camping in the corner lol

To be honest, all I see when people ask for Caustic buffs are players who would like his gas to insta-kill. Now a nerf is being made due to popular criticism, and then suddenly he's dead.

Caustic was buffed to be more team friendly already, and even then people continued to demand buffs to him. And that has shown me that people want Caustic to deny an area without any possibility of getting through. They want their gas to act like an absolute sight-taking wall that only your team can look through. They want their gas to screw over people entirely. Really, does that sound like balance to you? Imagine Wattson's electric fence would only allow their team mates to look through it. Imagine if Bangalore's smoke would completely obstruct the sight except for your team. Sounds balanced to me.

Really, people have their opinions and that's okay. And this is one opinion I don't agree with.

@Pallo420
Gas still slows.
<<< negligible, situational, like before
Caustic still sees opponents highlighted
<<< useful, like before
Gas does more damage
<<< negligible, like before
Opponents can now see you camping in the corner lol
<<< basically like before, once you moved back 1 meter after taking those major 1 tick damages

Now though, contrarily to before, there's literally no reason to avoid a gas trap in a fight since you can literally stand on it and still be able to function completely, hitting that huge caustic hitbox around the said trap.

Make the trap an actual deployable removing its one-hit-break base, and giving knockdown shield hitpoints to the sack. This way at least the flatulent sack of * that deployed it has some actual tactical use for such a worthless ability.

Discussion here is not about "what ifs".

The nerf is dim witted, and half assed. Even the lead developer is asking contributions to make up for such a * nerf and resulting gimped kit on an already weak, unpopular legend.

The blur was a characteristic feature that was literally the only reasonable feature the legend had, and still was extremely situational and by no means in any way a "free win ticket".

You and DanielZKlein should go and look at caustic stats before even starting to think that removing the blur was a good idea.

Nevertheless, there's a good solution which would somewhat preserve the original legend concept: turn barrels into proper obstacles that the team can use as cover. This way, the laughable, negligible poison can at least act as a proximity deterrence, and the barrels can offer some tactical reasoning.

@RoamcelThe buff that allowed his team to move freely through his gas was absolutely op and made pushing a caustic pretty much impossible without another caustic. Crypto isnt even a great counter as you emp a caustic with six traps out and he usually has three more already on cool down (as well as his ult) or he just picks up before emp goes off and redistributes right after. The nerf weakens him pretty drastically. Ive been able to push and kill caustics and I barely even noticed the gas. My original idea was for a buff(before the overbuff apex decided on) that would allow teammates to be able to move freely through his gas for a short duration before being slowed/blinded. This would allow teammates to push through gas, retreat behind it, or secure kills in gas, but would punish teammates for camping/hiding in it. I feel like this would help balance the op nature of his gas instead of completely neuter it like this nerf has done.

I already tried to post pretty much this post but it was either removed and i wasnt told, or something screwed up.

Caustic is a big target, has no ability to escape combat.  If i want to escape i can jump into a building and maybe throw a trap or two down to cover my escape and discourage people following me.  The traps are pretty obvious, can be scanned and take time to deploy.  During deployment they can be shot and destroyed, and even when deployed they can be disable with a single shot. They can now no longer disrupt vision and you can take the same damage you would take from a single shot from an R99 whilst you just walk through it as you chase me down.  The ultimate take several seconds to deploy and throw, and no longer has the same effect.

If the intention is not to completely ruin the legend i have played pretty much from day one, they need to either revert the changed back to season 6 or:

Give barrels a bit more health so they cant get destroyed with one shot

Remove the ability to shoot the barrels as they deploy.

Reduce the time it takes to throw the ultimate.

My preference would be to just leave it as it was in season 6.

Regarding the buff so team mates can walk through the gas.  That was very nice, because before that Caustic got a bit of hate from team mates that didnt appreciate what caustic can do.

If you want to take that way as well, then make it so teams cant walk through watsons fences without taking damage.  Its the same thing.  Wattson can hide a barricade a team in a building with fences and throw down an ultimate so you cant even throw grenades in there and be replenishing shields as well whilst they hole up.

This is just Causticism.  We cant help being Caustic mains, we were born that way.  Stop persecuting us.

Caustic is now useless as a legend heck loba is now better than him ans she is garbage 

Pfff, yeah Caustic is most annoying character, tell this to Wraith, who will always leave the fight with 20 HP!

Not a solution, but I hear that you can combo Caustic gas with Horizon’s Ult. Would make sense.

Hugely disgusted with the nerf to caustic. Makes it even harder to be an aggro player when enemies dont get remotely slowed by gas, no blur. I agree your teammates should not be affected by your gas. But dam, we run in pop our gas, players using any aim assist (aimbot) dropping canisters before they even deploy, and they run right through gas with no problem. So what it hits for 6-9, that Capital Fffffing hilarious, 6-9 lolololol. Its fricking weak. They camp in the gas now, just moving in and downing teammates. Its becoming shamefully useless except to tie up a door so you can keep running. Especially the vast areas and fields in new map. Horizon just pops her lift and magic out of gas range, octane throws jump pad, and magic out of range. All enemies just literally run wider circles and gas cant do shhhht. Caustic was already a hard Main, now it's even harder. The amount of aimbot used in this game make him a sponge, and large hit box, it's just like a bullet sponge with no way to avoid because we are stuck in large fricking areas. The traps literally suck and dont hold off anyone or protect team everyone is literally running right through especially purple, gold or red shields it's become literally laughable. What a shame. They need to change it back, just make it so team doesnt get gassed by traps. What a shame Respawn!!

PS...

I literally watched a red shield opponent come into my gas traps, crouch walk right in and kill team mate. The traps do nothing except make characters cough and emote receiving damage, lol 6 - 9 lolol rofl, so lame. Lol, this is a disgusting nerf to caustic. 

I think Respawn backed themselves into a corner here. They should revert Caustic’s traps or at least buff them, but the problem arises when we switch maps. Reverted Caustic might be too strong or something in KC or WE.