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Re: Improved Class System in Apex Legends for Season 16

@RedstoneMaker14 The only part of this I have an opinion on is the idea of Mirage being a support class. I like this and agree. Mirage can presently stealthy pickup allies and some other things that could really make him a bit more of a wild support, not because he is lacking in power, but because the idea of support is very much missing from apex.

Some idea's for that could be:
- Mirage clones could be toggled to an ally on his team, IE send out a lifeline clone teammate to screw with enemy
- Mirage ultimate could stealth his allies when activated in close proximity
- Mirage could share his tech with allies and create a clone of an ally BESIDE them with a specific prompt when aiming at them in some fashion
- Mirage could share is tech with allies and activate his ultimate ON an ALLY, making them stealth and cloned. Creating new unique ambush and escape situations

He really has the makings of an amazingly powerful support role instead of "assault". Creating sheer chaos to cover his team with.

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  • There are a lot of things Respawn could do to Mirage. I used to main him at one point and he has had many reworks in the past but in his current state, he is not in the meta mainly because of the idea of deception. Pro players who know how to find the real mirage can do so with ease, making their abilities almost useless. I think some small fixes additional to them you have mentioned are to simply make him have two tactical uses or reduce the cooldown of the tactical. Simply: more chances of bamboozling the better.

    He definitely does need a big overhaul and that is why I suggest making him a support character as he doesn't align with any other legend in the offensive class which is why in the future with other deception-based legends (like Rhapsody of apex mobile) we could see an entirely new class of deception legends. But having him be a support legend honestly fits his personality and playstyle pretty well and we do need more support legends. This adds to the overarching issue of there being too many offensive legends and having a diverse selection on the legend screen would be very nice.

    Whatever respawn does I know they will do it well but it has been an issue for a while so I hope they realise that the class system needs to be reworked well and mirage needs a sizable rework to make him actually useful.

  • BigMacAttack8u's avatar
    BigMacAttack8u
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @RedstoneMaker14 Wattson and rampart are not defensive currently, and also I think that they would fit better in the support and assault classes. (Wattson for support, Rampart for assault, as her gun is now mobile.)
  • RedstoneMaker14's avatar
    RedstoneMaker14
    3 years ago

    I disagree. I would consider them to be some of the most defensive legends in the game.

    I personally have been maining rampart this season and have gotten 3k kills on her total, and just like most defensive legends currently, yes she has a minigun that is offensive, but she is still a defence-based legend. Gibraltar's and Caustic's ultimate's are very offensive too but having them be put in the offensive class for that doesn't make sense. It isn't just the abilities that constitutes a legends class, its their playstyle.

    Wattson I can see being supportive but the same as Gibraltar and Newcastle, just because these legends have abilities that heal or revive teammates easier in a supportive way doesn't mean they are in the support class. The generator for wattson although healing teammates overtime, the purpose of it is to defend an area for longer by destroying granades and healing teammates who were shot so they can continue to defend in that area. So it all comes back to playstyle. And if you watch the ALGs all these defensive legends are able to lock areas down (which is the purpose of them).

    I do see where you are coming from as the ability categories overlap but it's weighing up whether the legends actually belong in them categories based on their playstyle

  • BigMacAttack8u's avatar
    BigMacAttack8u
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @RedstoneMaker14 Caustic doesn’t really belong anywhere currently tho, his gas traps being destructible, makes him a bad defensive and offensive, he can’t be support, because he doesn’t help anyone, and putting him in recon would be silly. He’s just trash as of now, which is sad.
  • RedstoneMaker14's avatar
    RedstoneMaker14
    3 years ago

    I see where you're coming from as I agree. I don't think caustic is very good at defending for me personally since his traps are so counterable by simply shooting them.

    Though, if you've watched the ALGS or High level players, Caustic is one of the most picked legends as he provides a very safe environment for the team to defend. I think he is a hard defence legend to master and doesn't hold much value in low skill games since you often don't need to fully defend like in the ALGS. However, with that being said, with caustic being good in High level but underwhelming in low level play, it would be difficult for respawn to give sizable buffs and nerfs for him. But guaranteed he will continue to be a defence legend and there is no need for switching him to another category as you've said he doesn't fit in any of them.

    I think respawn is taking a new approach (similar to seer being a High level scan legend and bloodhound a low level scan legend) with that some legends although appearing useless of underpowered, are very powerful in specific setting such as the ALGS and so they may not get much play by the majority of players (Mad Maggie and Newcastle) but are used frequently by High level players.