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Vl-cera's avatar
Vl-cera
5 years ago

Re: REMOVE MASTIFF ! OMG !

I agree with mastif having such high dmg and 0 skill requirement to use it should be a bit nerfed. I dont ming getting obliterated with shotguns but man 7/10 deaths are always due to mastif. If they replace it with pk again i think it would be more beneficial since at least pk has a bit slower pellet speed (as far as i noticed). and requires you to acually hit center of mass for max dmg where mastif is way too forgiving weapon to use. Sry about me ranting a bit but mastif is getting out of control and you can find him easly in any game you play so its really frustrating having 2/3 apex octane jumping at you with 3 of them blasting you at the same time.

7 Replies

  • Zamaha400's avatar
    Zamaha400
    5 years ago

    @Vl-cera I wasn't sure which thread to reply to you in but your memory of the PK might be a bit off. Shotguns are not a weapon type that typically requires much skill but the PK is even easier to use than the Mastiff while being more lethal at range.

    Its been a while since I've seen it tested but the PK originally fired at least as fast or faster than the Mastiff. Until you get a purple bolt which makes the Mastiff faster.

    R-99 + PK dominated apex in the early days and there were many complaints about it though I didn't care about the PK either.

  • CrashA320's avatar
    CrashA320
    5 years ago

    Problem is that EA doesn't give a flying f about these forums...

  • Triumphkutter's avatar
    Triumphkutter
    5 years ago

    no theproblem is that you guys dont understand the idea of shotguns.

    they are supposed to be the strongtest type of weapons in close combat.

    and they are in apex.

    so if you run into close combat or let the enemy engage you in close combat while you do not have a shotgun, they are superior.

    it also requires skill to not let that happen.

    (which is the other thing you do not want to understand)

    the best weaponry to counter shotguns is mid- to longrange weapons to not let them get close.

    i also understand that a lot of people do not WANT to play like that. they do not want to snipe, or 3030 longrange

    to soften players up. they think its boring.

    but that is just them not wanting to use the full potential of the whole weapon arsenal there is in apex imho.

    i also see it in tournament games.

    the first round of ALGS NA was very passive i felt. 19 teams within the last 2 circles.

    and very few teams had a sniper on their team. that dosent even make sense.

    like 1 sniper should always be on your team to soften up pushing partys. then shotguns wont be that much of a problem, as they seem to be now for some people.

  • Xx__Miku831__xX's avatar
    Xx__Miku831__xX
    5 years ago
    @Triumphkutter Then you tell me how to not let that happen (fighting shotguns in close range). You can't just flee from the battle because the map doesn't allow you to do so (and of course the enemy player). And the fact that it one shot no armor player easily is so broken, you will just die to everyone you meet when you are so unlucky.

    Back to KC, this map is small that the third team will definitely come when you are fighting with the other team. When you firing your rifles, it is telling all people that:
    1. You are here.
    2. You have 1 less weapon to fight in close combat.
    Even if you tried to soften the party, they can just rekt you by their movement / abilities or using the other weapon to damage you. Don't forget that a player can use 2 guns in a fight.

    For ALGS, since people want points, they will not play so aggressive. Remember the first point of snipers, it basically tells all players that you are here. So that will not be their first choice as they just want to live longer. Thus, there will be many people in the last few rings and mastiff is still the best weapon to fight at close range.
  • Triumphkutter's avatar
    Triumphkutter
    5 years ago

    you are totally right, but that does not mean i am not.

    sometimes you can not disengage, sometimes you get 3rd partied

    and sometimes you get at few crutial hits off before team 1/2 can push and you disengage or buy time to finish one squad.

    thats how it is, there will always be a luck factor, but using only close quarter weapons as most people do and did for a long time

    will skyrocket that factor to your potential disadvantage.

    most people think like this (there are even studies related to gaming proving it):

    if you win a game and have 10 kills, you were just better than everyone else.

    same players:

    "if i get killed by someone he is not better than me, but he had help or used an unfair advantage."

    do not even try to tell me that a single one of the posts complaining about the mastiff were made

    shortly after he/she destroyed a whole team with 6 mastiff shots.

    (those clips are uploaded to reddit instantly, look how good i am).

  • Beannz_Boi's avatar
    Beannz_Boi
    5 years ago
    @Triumphkutter But the thing is, you most likely arent in close combat. I have been able to pretty much destroy people at ranges a normal shotgun just shouldn't reach.
  • Vl-cera's avatar
    Vl-cera
    5 years ago
    @Zamaha400 yea palyed since the launch so maby my memory is a bit off but i get 2 pumped with mastif way often that pk... dunno maby i have a wierd luck