Re: "Shadows are broken as hell."

@VeIottaIt’s not. It’s 20 v. 10 at the end, or whatever the numbers are: just like in a zombie movie the humans are outnumbered by the undead: it’s supposed to be easier to win as a shadow and harder as a legend BECAUSE MATH.

@Professor_Doggy 

That's incorrect. 

It's not 50 v 10

It's 20 vs 10. At the end. 

Fight or Fright lobby is only 30 players total.

Also give 100 hp to shadows way to weak till you mass up even then if ppl team up before last 10 its game over

It's actually quite easy to win as a legend if you use your brain a bit, already won twice, and it's not that easy to win with a shadow and shadow dmg is perfectly fine...I seen every possible legend getting in that ship, it's all about strategy, situation awareness, getting proper equipment by killing other legends, and always being on the move because every-kill is showed on the map.
I love this event.

The problem is your logic is flawed. Zombies are weak but numerous, while the shadows are strong but numerous. So it's not the same at all. Your gun is rendered a non advantage by their speed and your armor and health are rendered a non advantage by their damage. So the shadoes have literally every advantage afforded them without any counter balance for Legends

@DacendarinZombies in pretty much every instance only need one bite to kill a human. Some just have to bleed on a human to infect them. That’s pretty strong, not weak. Shadows die with 1 or 2 shots, that’s pretty weak. The point is it is supposed to be hard to win as a Legend. It’s not supposed to be “balanced”. It’s around for 3 weeks, just enjoy it while you can, everyone.

I think the balance is near perfect. When I did finally get my first win as a legend (on day one, with Bangalore) it felt pretty rewarding. And on that win I think 7 legends made it out, cause we worked towards each other had some good timing and teamwork.

The difficullty should be not to annoying or hard as a legend but also not where shadows easily become cannon fooder. killing does grant health and shield however the fact you can just get a unlucky drop on the loot barg and just get a level one armor and a shadow happens to go there and just melee you once is just absurd. I will say the damage makes sense for shadows but only when the final 10 survivors are active. The only way I can see some improve is keep the speed of the shadows or slow them down but give their melee attacks lunges. Nerfing the damage is a bit hard to grasp but I will say this. the more shadows there are the more stonger they become. meaning they won't do much in the beginning but has more shadows introduce the stronger and deadlier they become. Yesterday every shadowfall match I've been in ten survivors are always actvated before the first ring closed due to shadows spawning in from the sky and just keeps on going back to where they die to get their killer. To me spawning shadows a little bit away from their killer and not dropping from the sky at least gives legends a time to breath. I say this because there was always a player in those matches that I killed as a legend but he always drops down and attacks me again and again. I kill them three times before they finally killed me due to the fact that since he kept dying to me, other shadows just bomb rush me. Now I would  be fine about their damage and not complain if the shadows didn't drop but spawn somewhere in the ring. The solid fact that once a shadow dies but immediately drops on to you again and again just promotes tunneling and becomes unfun when you need to win as a legend. I luckly did get win as a legend but only due to the fact I play bangalore and smoke the shadows camping the evac ship. Which is another that when the shadows die there isn't any additional respawn second for them they just respawn and camp the evac because if they don't win as legends then why should the the 10 survivors should. It is fun I will admit it but the shadows becomes annoying when they one shot you because you don't have level 2 or 3 armor since they deal 150 damage.

@EA_Blueberry I agree that it is pretty rough to win as a legend. The shadow “spam” is a little ridiculous. Maybe a 5-10 second respawn timer for shadows? Some additional feedback:

1. I already saw people team up before 10 legends are left. Watched a team of 6 legends last night roaming around next to each other when there were still 18 legends left... kind of lame... wish I got a pic of there names, but I insta quit because I got a little ragey... 👿

2. This mode that truly needs the leave penalty added to it. There was a game I was in that had 5 shadows (me included) against 10 legends because everyone quit out the minute they died. People are thirsting that lmg skin hard and not playing for fun.

3. There is another issue with the 20-kill badge? I watched a video last night about it. Seems super lame if you can get the 20-kill badge from this mode though. I got 15 kills last night in it, but I am going to feel dirty as hell if I can unlock the 20-kill badge because of my luck with killing shadows.... It truly cheapens the prestige of that badge in my eyes.

broken and i do not play as shadow at all  i wanna do is get the achivments done, in the process ill mention the brain that made this mode with a lot of bad words including every part of his life and get it over with. 

Give shadows 100hp or remove the purple and golden armors and helmets. 🙂 Its quite impossible to kill a guy with gold or purple if your shadow teammates abandon the round...

I just hope that Respawn doesn't read this * forum because it would make them hate their "customers".  * cry babies. If you don't cry that you have to pay for cosmetics for this otherwise 100% free game, you cry because it's too hard because it won't let you win all the time. Geez.

And btw, to answer the topic: I've only played this mode 3 times and won as legend 2 of those and lost the third because I missed the evacuation I.e my fault. The only reason why legends doesn't win every single time is because it's hard to cooperate with 9 strangers. You lose because top 10 tries to camp the evacuation zone too early and gets picked off one by one. A 20 shadows  vs 10 legends will always favor the legends

Did the Legends get a buff or Shadows a nerf yesterday? I kept having to hit Legends 3 times as a Shadow to kill them. Kept downing them instead of outright killing them, and they weren't wearing gold armor. 

Also noticed that if you are a Shadow and you get killed after the Legends are down to 10, it won't let you respawn, so a lot of players probably leave at that point instead of watching the next few minutes instead of playing. Last night we finished with 19 total players in one match, but the numbers significantly dropped off after the Final 10.

I've only escaped once so far, which seems about right.

EDIT: I just realized this is wrong. If you are a Legend and get killed during the Final 10 evac period, you can't respawn, but as a Shadow, you keep respawning until the Evac Ship flies away. So, I think the original complaint about people quitting because they don't want to play as Shadows is looking 100% correct now.

The problem right now is, that it's virtually impossible to win as shadows.

Killed legends usually insta leave after getting killed.

So right now, when the round comes to an end, there usually are about 10 legends left and 6-10ish shadows.

And not the "wanted" 10 legends vs 25 shadows.

So it's impossible to win against legends with an average skill.

Way to solve:
Penalty for leavers after getting killed just like in ranked mode.

This will keep the players in game as shadows.

or make shadows fun to play. *'s boring af and you can jog on if you want me to play as a shadow outside doing the challenges lmao

We aren't quiter about everything, i love this mode and i enjoy it, but after playing it we see things that maybe we can change to improve it and make the game mode more enjoyable to every player. In my my case after playing like 25 matches of this game just won 1 time lol

Selfish self promotion inbound: https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Extensive-Nightfall-guide/m-p/8328493#M48486

Read my guide on how to win as a legend. Did it with multiple consecutive wins ^.^

For anyone saying shadows are too overpowered... yea right... if you can’t 1v1 a shadow, you’re just bad at shooting, hearing and/or anticipating cause they’re weak as hell. Multiple shadows attacking is a different point but again, that’s the point, they need you on that side so balanced shadows would make no sense. 

For others saying it’s hard to win as a shadow; no it’s not. I’ve seen teams win with 10 shadows. It’s based on how good your team is at ‘communicating’ and how perceptive they are. If there are 3 legends left and for some reason 10 shadows leave the vicinity of the dropship to hunt them down only to let 3 guard the ship, yup, legends gonna win. But if you disperse 7-10 (depending on the amount of shadows) and leave at least 7 just looking right on the circle, chances will go way up.