REMOVE MASTIFF ! OMG !

   its   MASTIFF!!!!!!!     It doesn't matter if you are skilled or novice

@Zamaha400 

A literal quote from the guy i was replying to "A.) The Guy who is complaining has no braincells and no skill"
He was literally talking about skill, as have many other people have here, they think this is a skill issue that people are having with the mastiff and that they should simply "get better" when that isnt even close to the issue at all. Your argument of "just dont get close to them" is the most baseless attempt at dismissing the point while trying to sound like you know what you're talking about, we're play a BR, one that has a circle that closes in (like most br games) and you expect to NOT be in peoples faces at some point in the game? You can lie to yourself all you want about how "people shouldnt allow their opponent to fight at the range they have the advantage in" but its not the reality of the game. There are abilities and map design put in place to make it very easy to get into peoples faces. You want to tell me that you can just easily stop a high skill Horizon or pathfinder before they can close the distance for a mastiff shot? I doubt it highly. Another thing i want to add, the mastiff does high damage at even AR range with little to no effort, you act like these people need to be directly in your face for this weapon to do damage but they dont, it out classes almost every automatic at med range and can even be effective at a decent distance past that. Your argument isnt there, it misses the point and then tries to dismiss the issue at hand.

Lastly, dont talk about "changing what your opposition is arguing" when thats literally what you just tried to do.

I will add that, you can`t tell right at the moment, what weapons your opponent haves. So how can i decide where to take the fight, if i don`t know what weapons he have. The time he swap weapons, you can`t do a ...... 

And Mastiff range is ridiculous.

Hal was chasing someone that was like 20-30meters away, and he was spamming with the mastiff, literally spamming and still kill him. The target was Wraith(smallest hitbox) and was a predator.

You can`t work around Mastiff. You can`t get away from Mastiff. Mastiff works on almost all range, except Sniper range.

Not to mention it can just peak and hide and not take any damage at all, and just need 2 shots to totally destroys you.

For how long i have been saying this gun is beyond broken. 
Its super easy and doing ridiculous damage, and the main weapon that low tier players can beat much better players all around.

ShivFPS, Hakis and many more pros constantly dying by this stupid weapon, so i guess they too can`t work it out, and don`t know how to fight at range, just lol !!!

Mastiff will always get defend, because people loves having easy time, and be able to kill an overall better players.

@Oyasumlpunpun Never changed your argument or even referenced it. I accused you of doing so to another poster but seems I was wrong. I ignore any "no skill" statement since it's usually just an attack on another poster so I didn't notice it. My bad.

Aside from that, audio issues in Apex and the final 2 rings are the only valid reasons not to be able to avoid a close range fight. I'm open to being wrong about this but I've never been in a situation where I couldn't avoid a close range fight outside of those 2 reasons.

If the Pathfinder is skilled/smart enough to close the gap against me he deserves his advantage. It's not like I can't burst him down if he tries to push at a bad angle even at my skill level.

I can't speak on how it performs at upper level play and the fire rate on the Mastiff is impressive with a purple bolt so it may be OP in the hands of Preds. I am a little confused about why good players don't miss with the inconsistent Mastiff but struggle to land shots with a laser like the R301/R-99/Volt.

@LordloshBang I don't mean to put you on the spot but I'd love to see the video of Hal dropping Wraith midrange with a Mastiff. In my lobbies nobody touches the weapon and the few Mastiff users I fight never get the chance to use them. 

What is your lobby ? Saying no one touch Mastiff is just ridiculous. Everyone is on Mastiff, no matter if its pub or ranked. Everyone is striving for that weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnTdj-MQLHo&t=134s

Here it on.

From 0:20.

I have a video in some of the Mastiff thread i have started with Hal doing constantly 52 damage from a very big distance.

You can go on an search it. 

I don`t need to lose more time on this thread.

Everyone who knows the game know that the Mastiff is OP from the very beginning. It was OP as a CP weapon, its OP now.

Diegosauer have been talking for big damage shootgun weapons for a long time. He was complaining non-stop for the PK(before), and have done it for the Mastiff a lot.

@Zamaha400 
This is Apex, its about movement and there are people with extreme movement to close in gaps and get into peoples faces. You also act like people surprising you or indoor combat doesnt exist which is literally baffling. Staying out of mastiff range is pretty much impossible in most games with how much range the weapon has and how you'll never know what someone is using until they shoot BOTH guns. 

Theres a reason why Pred level players use and hate the meta of the mastiff, all it takes is a low profile wraith to rush in and get a close range headshot with the mastiff and you're dead. Literally in most firefights thats all it takes to kill someone, especially if the fight was going on for a while and damage was already taken before the shotgun shot. The gun literally has comparable damage with the Kraber at close range. This is why this gun belongs in the care package, it would be rare in peoples inventory and it would make sense for the damage output you can do with it. Those that want it on the ground simply want it so they can get easy kills against people far better than them, the fact that this is even an option screams that there is an issue. 

Let me add you, that with Mastiff, you aim at the body, which is way bigger, than aiming at the head. You can consistently hit for 100+ for the body. Even leg shots with full pellets its 104 damage, same as the body hit. 

I don`t play shootgun, cause i prefer tracking weapons, but still when i get my hands on Mastiff i consistently hit for 80+ damage, which tells you the whole story. I don`t even play this gun, not even training with it on the firing range or never ever train shootgun in Kovaak as well.

So you admit its hard for you to aim and put a whole mag at someone, right? :D

And what that pc sw mean ? People cheat only on PC? How many of the console guys are running strikepads and cronusmax ? Probably half the playerbase. Even streamers and so call pro is using it.

As far as Mastiff goes i think its time to go CP and bring back the PK, but nerf it properly.