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- reconzero18 days agoSeasoned Ace
That sounds incredibly satisfying. But it's a rare player in this game who can consistently distinguish between a good player and a cheater. EA would have to rent an entire new server farm and hire hundreds... maybe thousands... of people just to look through the reports. And I'm not convinced that they could make any better calls than us as to who is actually cheating and who isn't.
But I'll tell you this, and apologize in advance if this is something you'd rather not hear: As a console player I feel like 70% of the questionable behavior I see ends up being a PC player and it's almost always motion rather than aim. If Respawn would segregate the lobbies, a fix that would cost them nothing, then a huge part of MY cheater issues would go away.
- MrGreenWithAGun18 days agoNew Ace
well, if the technical issues are what keep EA from fixing the cheats, then this approach would make sense, it isn't high tech, it isn't a
"hard problem" to solve. It just costs some money ........Ya i see your point...
- k1ll3mALL18 days agoNew Novice
Honestly man that's not true PUBG, has been recording their game plays for years and when you report a hacker they go by the specific part where you reported the hacker they go back and view the recorded game from a couple mins and determine if the person is cheating or not, without the hiring of hundreds and thousands as you speak. Just Apex is lazy could solve this hacker's issues really easy maybe they should consult PUBG on that aspect to the solve the hacking issues for us legit players.
- reconzero18 days agoSeasoned Ace
"PUBG, has been recording their game plays for years"
Not the years that I played it. It was a sewer of cheating then and at that time nobody lifted a finger to do anything about it. And if you're seriously telling me that the dev tackled a problem of that scale by combing through game footage by hand and making judgment calls about the veracity of each and every claim... with what? A half a dozen employees devoted to game integrity? Then okay. I guess. I guess I can't search YouTube and find hundreds of creators talking about how cheaters have completely taken over every fps out there including pubg. I guess I can't go into pubg tonight, right now, and get dropped by a single bullet, not even a half a clip, a SINGLE BULLET, from a guy I was shooting in the back and who did a snap 180 degree turn and pulled the trigger ONCE. Or if I did, I could report him, and someone would look at the footage in a timely fashion and ban the offender? Sure. Sure I could. Sure they would.
- Eshshshss17 days agoSeasoned Ace
- quite sure above mentioned would create so much traffic and need for additional hardware that Respawn / EA would not even be considering to invest in
- as reconzero said and I would agree - at this point with all AA features, tales of jitter aiming, ever present bugs and abuses it is very hard to tell who is cheating and who is not unless they do it bluntly / are stupid enough to track enemies through walls
- there are many cool features in this game - abilities, map scans etc. - that if not mistaken introduce weak points for hacks to abuse. E.g. make Bloodhound scan last not 3 seconds but 3 min., increase its range etc. Game stores too much info about the lobby that can be abused
- Respawn has not clamped down once like HARD on hackers. Ban-waves has been a thing but at least I don't feel much difference, contrary season after season I see in game and on the web that hackers are more daring
So for me this comes down to two main factors:
Respawn not able / willing to clamp down HARD on the situation - banning clearly hacking TTVs, Preds, Masters - delivering the message that hacks will not be tolerated and actions will be immediate not like now "ban wave" after weeks or months of abuse.Community has to change as well because in no other game I have felt so much support for smurfing, boosting and hacking like in Apex. Requirement from players to do "nothing" and get all the loot, badges, kills, Diamond/Master/Pred rank and related cosmetics have been ever present.
What should be a reward for the few now e.g. Diamond rank containing 30%+ of players is basically participation medal level yet people still go for it like it would mean they are basically step away from being pro.
If community will request easy gains Respawn will clearly provide them, but it will also ruin the game experience and satisfaction of improving on skill, reaching certain milestone because e.g. skill can be achieved via AA and milestones are reach by 30%+ players which questions the milestone itself. - imsotrashlol1215 days agoRising Newcomer
rare??? you sounds stupid man. its so obvious to see when someone is using extra aim assist or anti recoil. when they have extra aim assist their screen will shake. not much but enough to notice. and with the anti-recoil it's also obvious to notice when they use heavy recoiled guns and yet still having absolutely 0 recoil. doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice these 2 major problems. I'm only talking about the console cheating problems and not pc. I've reported about 46 people within only 1 day and of course no actions have been made towards those people. that's proof that these so called, "devs" don't do anything but sit on their assess and get paid for doing absolutely nothing. the fact that they charge $500 for 1 **bleep** heirloom and can't buy a good anti cheat system states my point exactly. they need to realize that if someone did sue, they would lose a big amount of money because I could name several winning statements. them not doing anything about it just for the money is fraudulent and is indefinitely a scam. don't get me started on the matchmaking that should have been a quick fix but for some reason for 3 seasons now they haven't fixed a **bleep** thing. plat players or even diamond players should not ever be placed into lobbies with masters or preds.
- Eshshshss15 days agoSeasoned Ace
Sounds like you either bought 3+ heirlooms and now are angered by that decision or you soon need to develop a competitive to Apex without all the mentioned flaws.
But on the practical note:
- if you would research reporting topic in Apex you would see complaints about it going back to at least year 2021 (I started frying them for it) and consistently being mentioned year-to-year basis = that should give you a sign of what's to come in this game
- screen shake on console aimbot as far as I know poped-up only recently thanks to Zeus video, before that it was not mass spread info / known tell-tell sign, instead we had boatloads of fake info like jitter aiming and recoil smoothing and 0 comments about it from TTVs / Pros / EA / Respawn. They all either rode the boat or kept neutrally silent to confuse people
- I am quite sure running a free to play game for ~500000 people costs a bit more than 500$, not to say that it is ridiculous amount of money for in game fidget-spinner, yet I never understood this logic of: I don't know much yet I spend tons of $ on the game -> complain about it being free to play always beta and demand immediate fix for my money spent. Google business model of such games and the sooner you accept the fact you have been had, the more never cells will survive, money's gone, enjoy your gameplay, stop talking bs as they might take you virtual fidget-spinner away as well ;)
Peace :)
- reconzero14 days agoSeasoned Ace
I just read through pubg's own description of their anti-cheat efforts,
and I'm not sure what to think. They certainly say all the right things. Kinda reminds me of Respawn in that regard. And yes, they claim to review reports by hand. I would love to know the size of the team they have on that problem. If it was Respawn we were talking about then that manual review team would have to number in the hundreds. It just doesn't seem realistic to me. But, if pubg is, as you say, solving the problem then I stand corrected. It certainly wasn't the case when I played it, but I'm glad if it's better now.
- reconzero14 days agoSeasoned Ace
"you sounds stupid man."
Very helpful.
I must be misunderstanding something here because I'm stupid. How can YOU see THEIR screen shake unless you're playing in the same room? What am I not getting on that one?
I'm also taking away here that even the best players in the game (non-cheaters) are not capable of a one-clip, or insanely high accuracy? The only time I've ever watched a clip of someone who I was CERTAIN was aimbotting was a guy using a 301 with perfect accuracy and who happened to be doing it over a distance where I would have hesitated to waste sniper ammo. The rest of the time, at normal ranges, you can suspect all day long, but you can't KNOW without access to their hardware.
Believe me when I say that the last thing I mean to do with all of this is sound like I'm defending EA anti-cheat. But I watch all the same Zeus YouTubes that you do, and he is very, very fond of the expression "blatant cheating," and sometimes I can actually see what it is he's describing... and sometimes I can't. Sometimes they just look like very, very fast and very, very accurate players. No different than the footage he posts of himself pulling off some "unbelievable" move.
Anyway, that's where I am in my ability to detect cheaters with nothing more than my eyes. If you're more evolved on that front then my hat is off to you.
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