Respawn ♥ controllers = true

@Balladalidila Honestly wish PC players can opt out of cross-platform and only play with people using the same input. All these controller players being allowed to use cheats, (not talking about AA exactly), is getting way out of hand.

Sure, a lot of PC players are using cheats too, but having to deal with them AND players using strikepacks, xim, cronus zen, etc. it makes the game borderline unplayable. (Yes AA is strong, but I can't exactly judge it when it seems fine when I use a controller and when a lot of the console players I run into are abusing 3rd party hardware and scripts).

If you're not getting destroyed by a PC cheater or smurf, you're getting beamed by a console player that has zero recoil and scripts enabled.

S19 looks cool and all, but if they don't address the cheating, smurfing, and controller abuse, (along with server tick rates, audio, etc.), the game isn't going to last as long as they're wanting to, at least not last in a healthy and fun way.

I agree with you... Bangs smoke shouldn't be able to be seen through by anyone. That would make more sense. 

Controllers aren't as easy as people make out, I've had numerous friends try controller for weeks and they hate it and get destroyed and revert back to M&K. I have other friends who have been controller players since forever and are good at the game but when they play with a PC player in PC lobbies they get destroyed in nearly every fight and can't do anything 😅.

I'll respect your opinion and others but it's the scripts and modded controllers that are destroying the game, not the average controller player. We have to suffer modded controller abuse aswell and we also have to suffer the hackers that come with playing PC lobbies. If they made modded controllers bannable we would have way less people complaining about controllers for sure but they're hard to detect so can't see this happening.

The average PC and Console players don't really care about fighting each other until they come across the people using the hacks and modded controllers, that's when they tend to complain and that's understandable.

I have to agree that the change is unnecessary and that it does look like a little help for controller users but everyone on this input seems to be running scripts nowadays and i bet there are a lot of people even using soft aim bot software disguising it as aim assist and therefore all the complains. Unless they sort all of these forms of cheating the game sadly will always be in a state of coma till it dies.

then it's simple just get rid of aim assist like every decent fps nowadays and we'll get rid of most cheater for free.

@DaleFox2012 

Yeah I know that I purposely phrased my post a bit cheeky to just poke and trigger controllers hehe. I totally agree that "the average controller player" isnt a problem. I have never cared about aim assist for "casual" players, like "diamond level" and below, which I consider still to be casual. The "unfairness" with AA is mostly an issue at the highest level, like predator lobbies and ALGS.

My point was just that I think its funny that Respawn nerfed Bangalore for NO OTHER REASON than her strength vs controllers in ALGS. Bangalore had like 75% pickrate at ALGS championship and there is not a single person who denies that the reason for this is only to counter controller aim assist. She would have had 0 % pickrate if AA wasnt disabled in the smoke.  So I just think its funny how they nerfed Bangalore just for this reason. I mean the nerf IS a direct response to the fact that her smoke counters AA and not because Bangalore is OP. It shows how much Respawn prioritize controllers (not talking about PC vs console but M+K vs Controller only)

We need one of the following:

1) Option to opt out of cross play

2) AA to be disabled while in PC lobbies

3) Strikepacks, xim, cronus, etc. actually getting detected and it becomes a bannable offense

All of my provision matches had "rollers" abusing the AA by using strikepacks and other gimmicks, and honestly it shouldn't be allowed at all. Fortnite and other games already made these kinds of changes, and they even ban these kinds of players. Respawn also "updated" the anti-cheat, but I still see a lot of PC players cheating, so as far as I'm aware of, the change was either nothing or not much.

@Midnight9746 

What I wanna know is how separating controller and M+K in pro competition would affect the game. What would the majority of the pros say? I honestly think that many players, who really are a M+K player but strategically switched to controller because of AAs OPness like Imperialhall, would choose to play in the M+K competition branch and the controller branch would be viewed as competitively inferior which would make even more switch to M+K. I know that the US has a stronger controller tradition than the rest of the world but IMO, M+K is objectively viewed as the most serious way to compete in FPS on PC. The biggest FPS games throughout pro gaming history has been on M+K, like Doom, Quake, Quake3, Unreal, CS, CSGO, Overwatch, Valorant etc etc

And how would it affect the causal scene? I definitely think that M+K players have enough players to support ranked lobbies and if they update console to a higher FPS, then I see no unfairness in cross playing PC controllers with console controllers.

Education is Free,
So I will educate you.

1, Bangalore Nerf,
This nerf was a direct reaction to the issue of Digi threats and the fact most of the game was a smoke war during apex tournies . Many of the people complaining where MnK players not controllers players, Most controller players really didnt even care as they have learnt to adapt to bang while MnK players cant. Aka why Shiv still * on most MnK players. People have always seen bang as someone easy to counter.

Now dont get me wrong. The nerf was stupid and made no sense and I agree she was balanced but honestly the nerf really changed nothing. Bang still plays the same, she still is balanced the only difference is you need to think a little more about when to use smokes and when your passive kicks in. Honestly adding aim assist while in smoke would have fixed the issue with her pick rate in apex tournies.

2, Pro loosing,
Dude most pro players suck at the game outside of competitive events. People seem to forget that ProPlay and Normal Apex are two different styles (aka why ranked is so bad now). Also you do understand how matchmaking works right? The game tries to put you with people of a similar skill or above. Meaning that in that one fight the other player was just better. God go look at Hal in pubs and ranked. He gets * on all the time. LOL even NickMercs while he was still learning apex made Hal look trash. People who think 1 or 2 clips makes a point and ignore the other 1000000 clips where the MnK player with no recoil at all is lazering a guy with an r99 300meters away. Really take the bias glasses off.

3, Bangs smoke have always been a semi issue for controller and MnK players. Many people have asked for a revision of Bangs as smokes are just something that has never really worked well in apex. It wasnt as noticable at first because people were bad and the 2 maps we had were pretty well balanced and people played more long range as the game wanted you to go for kills. Now we are in a hide and seek meta where no one wants to fight and when they do its all inside a small tiny room. Think back to S0 or S1. So many different vertical levels of gun fights. So many different ways to push  around the map. Every rock, every piece of map had a reason to exist nothing was just randomly in place. Now you have a cluster of the same 3 building models then open space. So what does this mean? It means more gun fights happen in smaller areas making Bangs kid stronger when in reality it hasnt changed.

People need to stop * on controller players and understand the issue with aim assist. The issue with stupid nerfs is Respawn.
It isnt timmy playing on his budget controller from wallmart.

Just wait till they remove the icons so you dont know if the player is controller or MnK as it will come soon just like they removed ingame rank badges viewable to others. Within a month you will blame every kill on controller. As you all mainly use it as an excuse

Those who defend the absurdity caused by the aiming assist of the pad, please play the game on the Tokyo server.

If you play on a Tokyo server occupied by converter cheaters and suffer a lot, you'll be able to face reality in no time.