Ahhh where to start. i just got off a chat with a useless chap called westley via live chat. i asked him regards the issue of sbmm, he had no idea what i was going on about. that sums the issue up. so im a day 1 player. less than average. negative kd ration. less than 10k kills across all legends and what are the lobbies im matchmade in. yep predators, masters, 20 bombs, 4k damage, level 10 smurfs with triple triple badges etc etc etc. so when there is so many of us complaining about sbmm not actually being based on skill, why is nothing being done about it.. 10 seasons in, just interested in peoples money. zero care for plsyer experience. zero server maintenance. constant bugs. for example constant disconnects due to animated banners or poses. it ridiculous. now look at rougue company a small game thats flawless. no issues. matchmaking is fair. servers are stable. its soul destroying to admit me and my network of friends online will move to a differant game because nobody can stop the top end players from destroying the game by deliberately creating accounts to kill lesser players for badges. ea should be able to control this. i will be surprised if i get any form of answer that isnt either abuse or makes no sense.

@marcmc1979 So how do you, just in broad and general terms, suggest how a better matchmaking would be? And all I am asking is that you dont conveniently ignore that that skill is relative and skill based stats like K/D, percentage of shots hit, damage dealt are ALL strongly correlated to the skill level of your opponent.

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Balladalidila
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@marcmc1979
So how do you, just in broad and general terms, suggest how a better matchmaking would be? And all I am asking is that you dont conveniently ignore that that skill is relative and skill based stats like K/D, percentage of shots hit, damage dealt are ALL strongly correlated to the skill level of your opponent.
marcmc1979
4 years ago
@Balladalidila I have no idea. My job isn't to create games or deal with these issues. But how is it enjoyable as a lesser than aveeage player being placed in games with borderline pros and above average players every single game.
And then

Why would these players create a new account to take advantage of the lesser than average players.

If I had a solution I would share it.
Do you have one..
marcmc1979
4 years ago
@Balladalidila But also.... I can't be using kill death stats as mine are terrible and I'm being placed in lobbies with people who will stats double mine. So is that by definition sbmm or what.
marcmc1979
4 years ago
@Balladalidila I'm curious to what skill is then. If it isn't kill death. Shots fired and shots hit. Because your certainly not match making based on how good you are at rotations and looting
Balladalidila
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@marcmc1979
Skill is ofc represented by all those stats but the actual value of any of those stats, out of the context, doesnt say anything about the skill of that player; all it says is the skill of that player in relation to the current matchmaking. The easiest way to illustrate: imagine your overall K/D is 1.8 but your ranked K/D after a long season Diamond grind is 0.8. Even if you have different values of the skilled based stat "K/D" , you still are the same player with the same skill. The difference just represent your skill in relation to your opponents skill in two different matchmakings.
So what I am trying to say is that you cant base a matchmaking on those stats because they correlates to the players skills vs the opponents skills... I have 2.44 overall K/D right now but the only thing that number says about me is how good I am in the current matchmaking... A matchmaking based on the current K/D would only match similarly skilled players vs each other in the beginning of the run, but after a while, every players stats would have changed since the competitive situation is changed and the "similarly skilled" matchmaking is broken. Its a very complex simulation what would happen and it hurts my brain to even think about it =)
SuperSletsen
4 years ago
Fact is, ppl like me, and others are INCREDIBLY INCONSISTENT.
I am a season 0 player as well, 1/75 games is a win, 1.4kd, over 10k kills overall
One match I can have a match like the one 4 days ago, where I got 3700 damage with 13 kills, still got only 4th place, and which was my best match BY FAR.
(I only managed to get 3 other times over 3k damage, and it was in the very early 3000's.)
Other matches I can find myself missing every damn shot, have zero sence of gameplay, making huge mistakes placement wise,...
The very second the system smells you had a decent game (by decent I mean 5 kills and top 5, and I say decent, because very good games are VERY rare, like 1/200 matches), next 5 games you've been put into lobbies filled with sweats, masters, preds, 20 bombs, 4k's, holding hands,...
No need to say these guys are no match against my skinny ***.
The issue in my eyes:
sbmm is WAY to harsh, and punishes people for having a decent game once in a while, by feeding them to the sharks and putting them between the pros for the next 5 games.
Suggestion:
I can agree with harder lobbies when you get a good game, but for the love of everything that's holy, there is absolutely no need for us to be between ppl with 5+kd's!!!
Why does that make sence to ea/respawn?
lower down your sbmm punishments for having a decent game fcs...
That
AND the fact, leaving a game BEFORE you turn into a deathbox, doesn't count as a death, thus messing with your kd stats, and I bet that's messing with your matchmaking as well, putting you into higher lobbies because of your kd is higher than in fact it should acually be alot lower.
Been shouting this a couple of times before here on the forum, yet no official anwser, nor a fix.. so idk what to think about this
EDIT: to give you an example, I had that 3700 damage game 4 days ago. Haven't played since. I just started a couple of hours ago, and I'm still sifting through stupid lobbies that are beyond my skill level. Think I only managed 3 or 4 kills TOTAL in all those games before getting lasered down by some sweat. I'm not having fun, AT ALL
marcmc1979
4 years ago
It's harsh isn't it. Very demoralising
Balladalidila
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@SuperSletsen
Agreed. the matchmaking is very harsh to players that isnt that good. I am even quite reluctant to use the term SBMM since that implies that it matches equally skilled player, which it doesnt... I might be above average but I am no pro by a long shot and in my experience, both based the low skill level of enemies I kill and the low skill of my usual teammates, I really, really understand that this game must be frustrating. I have 2.4+ K/D and sometime I fight someone who cant land a single shot at me even if they have a free flank; they jump on me from behind, misses everything and I just turn around and one-clip them. No wonder people think that people are cheating when they match player of such varying skill level together...
But just like I told @marcmc1979, what is a better option? IMO, it SHOULD be ranked mode but Respawn are to chicken to actually implement measures against Smurfs, including soft resets, which practically is a built-in smurf system. They also need to extend the amount of time you can spend in lower division IF your skill belongs down there.
chuckmynorris
New Hotshot
4 years ago
The matchmaking is hars for everyone. I've been playing quite a long time but I'm nothing special and I mostly soloqueue.
Everytime I go into a game I'm faced with premade pred squads which is not fair in any sense. It makes the gaming experience absolutely terrible.
I'm level 55 on PC right now (played on console from season 1) and when I load into a trios game at least 50% of the dive trails are pre-made master/pred squads. It's just ridiculous.
The biggest and only change that the matchmaking is, is to put solo queue players against other solos (when possible)
SanarJF
4 years ago
Hey,
I am in a very similar situation, played since launch and at the time I was really bad at shooters, got progressively better, can't deny that, but at the same time I can be very inconsistent.
Though the level of players I am universally matched against? My average KDA is around 1, yet I am being constantly matched with 20bombs, predators and masters that wipe my squad in seconds no matter the possition we are in, I was never that good and noone in my squad was ever that good.
Currently I am playing with friends that are worse than me at shooters, so one would expect we at least get matched with ppl that are of equivalent skill to me, but nooooo, streamers have to get their 20bombs. And I've seen a number of them complain that they have to sweat in their normal games to get a decent game, well guess what - I have to sweat to even have a chance of staying in a game for more than a minute, 20 drops in a row, because on every mid-to-high trafffic locations there are UFOs of one person that can wipe his bottom with my entire squad if you don't immediatelly focus fire him.
Not to mention constant legit lvl7 characters with 100 kills. Though I get it is hard to deal with smurfs, at the same time if the matchmaking was more fair, maybe ppl would not have a reason to create them.
It is depressing and not fun.
honestly I would pass on instant queue to a match if it just spent a minute searching for a lobby that is more fair, you already lost a lot of players Apex and it will be more, especially on the casual side, if don't give lower skill players a chance.
also I have seen some comments in articles that devs don't take this as seriously because they did not see a large number of complaints for it to be worth investigating.
comment more if you have the same experience so they have to start taking this seriously