Thoughts on seer reinforcement
Seer has been nerfed since I started playing, and now Seer is buffed again.😵 First, I don’t know if the designers have played this game; they don’t know how frustrating that season was back then, a...
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I don't know what kind of players you are matched with in your rate, and even if I did, it would have nothing to do with the point I'm making.
I agree that adaptability is an important player skill. However, whether players are capable of adapting and whether the game environment itself is appropriate are two separate issues. They should not be conflated.
I do not believe that an environment where power gaps between characters are left unaddressed and debuff abilities are strengthened as a way to compensate for them is appropriate for a game that exists to provide people with an enjoyable way to spend their free time.
Even in an environment full of cheaters, there will be players who adapt and win. Even on servers plagued by severe lag, there will still be winners and losers. Even in an environment with unfair characters, there will be players who adapt and achieve results.
However, the existence of those winners does not prove that the environment is healthy. The fact that some people can adapt and succeed is completely separate from the question of whether there is a problem with the environment itself.
My focus is on whether power gaps between characters and debuff abilities that are prone to causing frustration are truly appropriate for a game like Apex.
Basically what you are saying is that if there is a pool and some people can swim / learn how to swim does not mean that pools should exist because some lazy / incapable mofos drown in the pool?
How about you switching games? :D
I came from 7 year no gaming at all period to Apex in 2019 -> hit Plat 3 instantly -> next season hit D4 -> never hit anything lower than D4 when I gave ranked a go.
In the meantime I actively participate in APEX Legends LFG discord = I see hundreds of same players doing the same thing season after season = you see that by posts LFG for diamond+ ranked 3-4 weeks into season made by same people who have no issues getting to D4+ in under a month, usually even quicker.Yet a the same time people keep crying about Axle, Seer, Sparrow, Ash bla bla bla in forums and discords... I mean pros who dedicate all day every day is exception but "normal" rank grinders who allocate say 40h per week ... imo are not. They just show that if you have progressive mindset you can adapt and it is a matter of not if but how fast you will reach your level. Also what differentiates grinders from casual crybabies - people like me who reach D4 keep grinding understanding that this is my level, I might get hardstuck but for me D4 means I can finally face equally skilled or better players and no longer need to babysit Plat and Gold players, I enjoy challenge, vs Plat and lower or at beast D4 and quit playing players who just cry as soon as they are challenged.
Legend would be OP if suddenly Silver player would reach Plat+ just by playing a meta/OP legend, but they don't, probably (don't have data) they also don't derank much / at all because others are playing meta/OP legends vs them. People just don't understand what OP means...and they call annoying things OP instead, including annoyance of being pushed to change.
Look at videos about evolution, you will understand why you want to blame environment :) it is hard to accept but in many cases that means you are just a weak link. Same as people have to accept that your brain will not be able to manage FPS games at high level all life long...we degrade, reflexes become worse, reaction speed become worse, motor units in muscles become more inaccurate...basically X years later you could start an argument that Apex has to change because you are now 40, 50 or 60 years old and can't beat 18 year olds...
I think we're talking past each other a bit.
I'm not discussing whether players can adapt to an environment. I'm discussing whether widening the power gap between legends and strengthening debuff-focused legends is appropriate game design in Apex.
That's why experiences with players you've encountered in a particular rank bracket or community are not directly relevant to the point I'm making.
The existence of players who successfully adapt does not prove that the environment itself is appropriate.
To use your pool analogy, the fact that some people have deliberately built up their immunity and adapted to the water does not prove that the water quality is suitable for a competitive swimming event.
I've also said before that I support necessary buffs and nerfs, but oppose excessive ones. I'm not against change itself. If anything, I support change.
What I'm questioning is not whether the game should change, but whether the purpose and method of that change are appropriate.
Silence affects more than just mobility abilities. Slows affect more than just abilities; they also impact movement mechanics shared by every legend, such as movement speed itself.
In other words, strengthening debuff-focused legends is not actually a solution to mobility inflation. If anything, it expands the problem beyond skills and into other aspects of the game.
As for the evolution analogy, I don't think it can be applied directly to this discussion. Unlike a natural environment, a game environment is artificially designed and adjusted by its developers.
How both can be true at the same time in your reply: adapting but unable to adapt to new legend's buffs which as per you widens skill gap?
If you adapt you adapt and continue as before just with appropriate adaptations. Be it learning new legend, using abilities in game, turning to short term additional aim training etc.
Continuing with pool analogy - if you can't swim -> learn to swim. If you get a pool full of toxic waste -> get a anti-toxic waste gear, learn to swim and swim.
Point being - if you cry about and demand a change that is basically switching game from "normal" to "easy" mode...you might as well get a titan that aim for you and play that game as cheater do = software plays it for them. Why would there be middle ground between adaptation and no adaptation via adapting cheats? You want easy mode -> got play pubs, wild-card etc. No stakes there, can leave instantly if you don't like something...no stress...
The more points are made, the louder outcry of babies I see :) as you just repackage same idea of "not willing/able to adapt". Skill gap widens only when a) your skill falls because you lazy b) other adapt faster and become better
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