While I am writing this 7 out of 10 of the top 10 pred on pc are from pad. This is the exact picture of how the aim assist is strong. The smaller share has the bigger share of top position, this is just evidence! Aim assist needs to be balanced! We simply can not challenge something that is much faster than human timing reaction

@Palette24carats MNK deserves to be more rewarding than controller.Everything an MNK player does is through their own skill from literally thousands of hours of practice and training.Controller players are automatically good from the game helping them to aim.The "best mouse players," as you said, are LITERALLY PROFESSIONALS who have dedicated their lives to performing the way they do. Anyone can pick up a controller and get a free one-clip because the game aims FOR them. No muscle memory, no practice.

@Palette24carats Best players do miss shots, much more than rollers in close range. There is also a video on YT of Mande doing 1v1 in the firing range and as soon as he picks up the roller (and he is a m&k player) he starts to win every single fight...coincidence right? Anyway...Send us those datas, show us that % and how has if been calculated.

@Palette24carats You forget that M&K players dedicate a lot of brain power in to aiming. Controller is almost nil; and can instead focus on other things like placement and movement.Forget about the top tier, in any scientific analysis you remove the top and bottom 5%. You should focus on the middle. The basic fact is that a controller player can pick up a controller for the first time and beat a 20 year M&K vet.

my sense is 1.5. The number of times I've been 1-clipped close range by a level 20 with a controller is unbelievable. I've got damn good movement, there is no way such a new player should even touch me.You also have to factor that the size of the screen makes aiming so much easier. the size of the screen matters, the level of precision and accuracy required on a small screen is much greater.Of course I side with PC. The playing field should be even. M&K players have a 'handicap' and it needs to be fixed.

@heme725 Here is my personal experience.1) I was able to get my aim on target fast, but staying on target was quite difficult. Recoil, muzzle flash, opponent crouching and/ or moving suddenly.Most of those things I don't have to worry about when using my controller at all. Basically I had to mentally be focused while using a mouse & keyboard as every step of the way matters, there is no downtime. On the controller I could be mentally distracted most of the match, but still be fine ingame.2) Close range was odd on the mouse & keyboard as the tracking changed so suddenly. On a controller it's super easy to follow, but mouse & keyboard is another thing.3) Another issue is the keyboard, I dislike it. It's super hard for me coming from years of controller to the input device to be honest. Using 4 keys over an analog stick is tough, I missed it every step of the way.

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Anonymous
3 years ago
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@PiadinaNucleare

Aim assist is a tricky subject for sure.

Started as an assistance for the family room, then developed into a marketing tool used by video game companies so (mostly) everyone felt good about themselves.

Once analog sticks became the subject of complaints (mostly because of stick drift), developers started giving more fine controls like in/out deadzone, aim acceleration, curves, which in turn play a huge role in the development of the user becoming more precise while aiming with an analog stick.

If you ever wondered why going back to an old console game feels so strange, this could be the reason. Old titles are known to have high deadzone settings.

In my opinion without question, mouse & keyboard players should have the option to choose for themselves if they want to play with aim assisted controllers.

Becoming great with a mouse & keyboard is achievable, but it takes a long to do it, even more so while someone with aim assist is at your back.
I'm a controller user for whomever might read this, I'm not biased. If the person who disagrees with the statement that aim assistance isn't that powerful, you should ask yourself these questions.

Have you ever used a mouse for gaming?
1) If not, just speaking on the subject is a biased opinion.
2) If you have, but currently play with a controller, that too is considered biased.
I think there is another reason why people keep disagreeing with the subject.

If someone just purchased a pricey controller, but then a new topic comes along like, "Aim Assist Is Bad", the original purchaser might defend the use of aim assist, because it directly affects their purchase.

So basically, aim assist is a marketing tool and an actual assistance used by millions.

Why is this such a tricky subject you may ask?

If Respawn changed something that directly affects millions, it could hurt their profit margins. EA and Respawn rely on the success of Apex Legends, and dealing with such an issue is something no one wants to deal with.

How does one tell millions that their controller was a bad investment?
Palette24carats
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@PiadinaNucleareThis is BS, data from ALGS proved that Mouse wins over controller by a couple of percent points in all type of fighting range from long range to short range.
Hal and Sweet are better than any controller player but seems like they don't have a good team to rank up or don't play enough... Sweet has stopped playing he is not streaming which is bad because he had a goal to get predator #1 this split. He was mad at : Lose the most points, earn the least points, wait the longest and play the shortest.
Palette24carats
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@PiadinaNucleare Look at the best Mouse players; they don't miss a shot!! Aim assist cannot be better than not missing a shot duh.
PiadinaNucleare
3 years ago
@Palette24carats Best players do miss shots, much more than rollers in close range. There is also a video on YT of Mande doing 1v1 in the firing range and as soon as he picks up the roller (and he is a m&k player) he starts to win every single fight...coincidence right? Anyway...Send us those datas, show us that % and how has if been calculated.
arjaeger
3 years ago
@Palette24carats You forget that M&K players dedicate a lot of brain power in to aiming. Controller is almost nil; and can instead focus on other things like placement and movement.

Forget about the top tier, in any scientific analysis you remove the top and bottom 5%. You should focus on the middle. The basic fact is that a controller player can pick up a controller for the first time and beat a 20 year M&K vet.
Palette24carats
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
here
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@arjaeger Exactly, no one ever mentions having to use less brain power. Glad you brought it up.

I've heard people that use controllers have less issues with visual clutter as well.

The problem is that a lot of people like to use controllers for shooters and all these companies want to make as much money as possible. Unfortunately, I doubt Respawn or any other company is going to turn down the aim assist. It's frustrating. I enjoy playing Halo, but there's no way to compete with Aim Assist with Bullet Magnetism.
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Palette24carats #4 is the problem.
Palette24carats
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@RaginSam Not at all because #4 is a part of #2 which mnk win more often. The way you attack #4 is like you are blind to each and every advantage mnk players have and you focus on a tiny advantage of controllers like its a problem.... no each have to have strenghts and weaknesses and mnk have the overall advantage. Deal with it and stop falsely saying controllers have anadvantage to shoot on a tiny joystick.
BlairNines
3 years ago
@Palette24carats MNK deserves to be more rewarding than controller.

Everything an MNK player does is through their own skill from literally thousands of hours of practice and training.
Controller players are automatically good from the game helping them to aim.
The "best mouse players," as you said, are LITERALLY PROFESSIONALS who have dedicated their lives to performing the way they do. Anyone can pick up a controller and get a free one-clip because the game aims FOR them. No muscle memory, no practice.