What was the problem with pre season 13 rank system that needed to be changed?

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Ok at this point i just want them to press reset button and go back to pre season13 rank system... This new LP system is becoming worse and worser with every update... At least old rank system was bearable for 13 seasons...

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xhelperz · Answer

I don't know the exact reason, though the system wasn't really that great either.

I'd assume that they did this mostly to give the game a fresh coat of paint and to try and make the quality of games better, which partially has worked out.

Back then there were a lot of players that would team up until the end of the game and farm kills by using mobile respawn beacons, which allowed them to manipulate their rating.

New system pretty much made it impossible to do, so I suppose there are some good sides to the newer system.

Whilst it isn't perfect, I think the new system has the potential to become something much more than the previous system, I guess it just takes a long time to make a ranked system better.

After all, people will be comparing it to the previous ranked system, which had been getting updates/changes throughout it's entire lifespan, which is much longer than the current one.

drevinum9 · Answer

@XHelperZ Like honestly I have never seen people use that trick to farm free LP by gaining massive amount of kills for it. That most be such a small outlier that only a handfull of idiots are taking advantage off.... They honestly think the current system that builds on the failure of its startup in season 17, where over 30% of players reach masters is better than a handfull of low tier players having nothing better to do than farming kills and when they reach whatever rank can't compete. That is a really bad argument for the old system being hot garbage

xhelperz · Answer

@drevinum9&nbsp;High ranked players were constantly teaming to abuse the system to farm kill points to get a higher rank. (Not low ranked players)People were constantly complaining about it, suggesting to even remove MRB's and do various of things to get rid of them.From what I've heard, this definitely wasn't a small issue.Keep in mind that Apex still has a relatively large playerbase.Whilst you might have not encountered it yourself, doesn't make it so that it barely happened.Most players discovered that players were doing this after spectating the final few players, which I doubt a lot of people do.If the previous system was fine, then there was no need to change it.People farming kills wasn't of course the sole reason for changing a system, that would of course be a bit stupid.A new ranked system IMO would work well with giving the game a new fresh coat of paint.Though of course, it takes time for a new system to be improved so match quality goes up.The previous system may be better in some areas, though once the newer system improves to cover it, there would be no need to return to the previous system.After all, the previous system has existed much longer than the newer one, so I don't think it's completely fair to compare the 2 in every aspect.The current system isn't great, though I believe the matchmaker is mostly to blame for it, which would be a completely separate issue.

drevinum9 · Answer

@XHelperZ Where do you think they collected the data to start off with the new ranked system? The old seasons of course and then they try to come up with some over complicated matchmaking score system instead of using a more simple natural occuring matchmaking that the old system had.

palette24carats · Answer

@heman277 I think season 11 (rank 1.0) was perfect. I think what happened is there were too many smurfs but at least you could still grind but I think the main reason was pros were complaining non stop about ranking system being not serious because they said those Masters didnt derserve to be masters they played too sweaty and died too early. So they gave a free pass to everybody season 12 by increasing placement points.

Then pros went crazy complaining that there were wayyyyyyyyyy too many masters. So they teamed up with many pros like Ghurl to create a new ranking system (rank 2.0) that would be better. This gave season 13 rank system. It was a disaster not fun to play but pros enjoyed it for a couple of weeks.

What they enjoyed was to have 10 teams in ring #5. But soon players got bored of the loot , hide and avoid fighting that it started to be like before.... 4 teams only for ring #5. Pros got bored, complained about players hiding to get points, about being Master without firing a bullet by hiding. That is when Respawn started not to give a * about pros opinion. And there came the LP system (rank 3.0)

They already used MMR since the very begining, it is not new like they said it's just that they fined tuned it by adding layers of MMR grouping.

This sucks real bad right now been playing for so long and still am bronze 1 while I used to be a platinum 2