why duo queue in ranked?

@Danskermand 

It will ruin the game for duo's, you're suggesting a change that would literally mean the death of the duo queue.

As a duo you have to 2v3, which literally goes against the design of game balance.

Everyone in the team is responsible, if solo players don't want to communicate to duo's then that's on the solo players.

Duo's and solo players can work in a game.

Though currently there is no reason to change this, as by your logic, solo players already have a solution!

You want Duo players to move to Solo, well this would break the Duo mode.

Though my solution makes it so this isn't required, this solution is called "getting into a 3-stack team before queueing into a match.

Look, not all duo players are bad, that's why we can't punish them.

That's like saying all Asians are smart, which we all know is just a stereotype.

Changing a game is the last thing you want to do, since there already is a good method for you to use without changing the game, I'd recommend using that.

@XHelperZ 

Ive played 2 account from Rookie to Plat4 solo this split. Sorry but it isnt a stereotype. I am not saying that they are raging or trolling you every game but its usually the small things that most premade duos dont even think of that is frustrating for the solo. 

1) They always run ahead. Most duos ping where they are going but still, they never care har far away you are when they start running, let alone if you are following or not. This is nothing difference from pubs with randoms but in pubs, you can leave if you die. What the premade duos dont understand is that running ahead puts the solo in danger of people from jump towers or Valk ults, ESPECIALLY if there is a Valk in that team. Its a free kill when you see a solo guy trying to catch up a premade duo 15 seconds ahead of him. Also, its semi-tilting to be forced to run in someone elses loot trail, with no chance of getting good loot RNG. Very often will an enemy team initially spot the two premades from afar and starts to run towards them but then spot the solo trying to catch up and kill him 3v1...

Also, you are usually forced in a bad spot if they engage an enemy team when you are behind and trying to catch up. When the enemies, who knows what general direction the premade duo is located, just spots the horizon, what will catch their eyes? Most likely the solo trying to catch up. So many times I try to reach the premade duo who engaged a fight without me and I just got beamed on the way in.

The most common situation is if you land in a certain area and you land in the most northern part and they land in the southwest and southeast part of that area. You start to loot and when they are done, they wanna run south and just dont realize that you, even if you loot exactly as fast as them, must cross the entire area to reach their starting spot. So many times I got raged on like "WTF STOP LOOTING YOU NOOB" when its just because they lack the intelligence to understand simple geometrics.

2) In a fight, the premade duo will ALWAYS prioritize each other. This would not be the case in a squad of all randoms since then, you would prioritize the teammate who you either have noticed is the most useful or the closest. This is a nightmare as a solo because it forces you to second guess every decision in a fight because you dont know if the premade you try to help suddenly runs away to help his teammate etc.

So the fairest way to solve this is to let solo Q choose if they want to go into a team with a premade duo. If queue time becomes an issue for premade duos then it just proves that a majority rather play with only solos Qs. This will in turn create natural incentives for the premade duos to either also solos Q or find a third.... Non-forced incentives is the way to go.

@Balladalidila 

First off, I'd like to say that playing on a secondary account will not produce proper data to be used, even it's something like this.

The system assumes you're a new player when you're on a new account, so multiple accounts won't really count for multiple experiences.

Now these issues you're speaking of, how are you sure these won't occur in full on solo matched teammates?

As mentioned before, 2 players can like each other more than the other player on the team, so they tend to push more into the same direction and prioritize each other more.

Other issues might even arise, which we aren't even aware of at this moment.

It isn't even guaranteed that solo queue players will get better match quality, we're just assuming this is the direct cause due to the experience of some players.

(We really need much more data from other players to prove this is an urgent matter)

And well again, you can just get into a premade trio, the Apex Discord has an entire LFG system that works fine.

Next to that there are plenty of other places where you can find players to play with.

By queueing as a trio, you're practically solving this issue without making any changes that could cause issues.

@Danskermand  

Do note that there are over 300k players playing every day.

Accounting for Origin and console platforms, I'd say roughly 500k to maybe 600k on a day.

Now let's go with 500k, you get 2 players every match... which would mean you get around 0.00039999999999999996% of the playerbase within your match.

Even with more matches played that have it guaranteed that you have other players, it would be an extremely small portion of the playerbase.

Therefore your experience is pretty much a statistic that can be thrown away by the devs.

If you want to make a point about this, then we'll have to collect much much more data.

Though then again, you can queue with a trio through LFG systems as I mentioned earlier in this exact reply.

That way we prevent creating issues and fix ongoing problems.

@XHelperZ 

The difference is obvious? In a team of randoms, you know that its the quality of your actions/positioning/choices that determines if you are the one that is sided with or if you are the one who need to adapt to the other two, that is IF you want to play as a functioning 3-man team. In a solo + duo premade constellation, you now that you always are the one who need to adapt to the other two IF you want to paly as a functioning 3-man team, regardless of the quality of your actions/positioning/choices.

 I have no problem getting a 3-man or a 2-man premade squad together. I am already a member of several discord with 1000 + members so that is not the issue for me. The issue is that the system forces you in a situation that I think should be voluntary. As a matter of fact; I ONLY play premade 3-stack ranked on my main account. The reason I play solo ranked on my smurfs is ofc because you cant play solo Q in platinum lobbies unless you are a Predator smurf.

But yes, solo Qers are exactly as responsible as premade duos to find one premade to become the premade duo or two premades to become a full-stack team if they complain too much. I dont really complain. I choose to play solo Q, usually because my premade squad isnt online, but also sometimes when I dont wanna talk or play super drunk or whatever. But bottom line is that this forced system forces me to play like a egoistic * which also gets me alot of hate from the premade duo, i.e overall everyone gets screwed. 

 Like Ive said many times before. I play by one rule. I start off the game with the intentions of playing as a team exactly as I would with a premade trio of friends. But at the FIRST SIGN of premade duo BS towards me, I go into solo mode. Sure, I might still fight with the teammates but I wont care one bit if they have to die so I can run away and survive. Its a lose lose for everyone. Just look at this print screen of my inbox.. So many times Ive reported premade duos who type the most vile things to me because of this forced system.

@Balladalidila 

Well for the first part, that might be more of an issue with a specific group, I myself haven't really encountered it in such a way that I had to adapt.

Typically we communicated well enough to compromise for each other.

Though with the choice of getting into a premade, what's the issue with leaving it as is?

If people want a serious match, they get into a premade, if they don't care about integrity they go for the solo Q option.

But from what you're saying... competitive integrity doesn't matter to you that much.

You want to play super drunk or don't want to communicate?

Why should ranked be adjusted just because you play ranked like casual?

When you take it seriously you go with your premade, which shows the system is fine when players like their integrity.

Now I understand your premade can go offline, again, the LFG system comes in here, you can go into a public discord and you're easily matched up.

I don't see why we should adjust ranked for someone who isn't playing it as intended.

Personally I also think now that you really aren't really someone I'd trust for feedback now, though that's just me.

Since you're showing:

• That you're smurfing, which by definition is playing below your rank, thus throwing
• One thing meant towards you from a duo could be misinterpreted, thus resulting in you making the match worse for them... which doesn't really show you care about their quality 
• Your amount of reports, it's not exactly reportable to play with a specific playstyle, whilst it might seem like they don't pick up your banner on purpose, they might have different priorities to securing the win or making sure their site is safe

If you want to go casual, play casual, not ranked.

@Danskermand 

Saying that without trying to explain it just makes it look like you're trying to invoke a specific reaction, that's not a good thing.

And I do get the issues that exist, but the chance of encountering it according to current data seems really small.

If you don't want to get into a premade, then I don't see why duo's have to suffer.

The solution has no downsides whatsoever.

Does it take longer? Yes, but that is the price to pay for better quality matches. (Queue times would increase anyways)
Ranked isn't meant for a quick game, it has to be taken seriously, so technically you shouldn't solo queue, ever, if you care about the integrity of your match.

@XHelperZ 

I start to wonder who you are and if you just are trolling for the sake of trolling. Why are you defending premade duos right to force a solo Q against his will into their team so that the duo can play in their preferred constellation when you in the same argument think that solo Qs are just sooo stupid and ridiculous to want the option to play in HIS preferred constellation? Why are a premade duo "more serious" than a solo Q, since you argue that you should only play ranked as a premade trio if you "are a man of competitive integrity"?  Dont you realize that every argument you come up with against solo Qs rights can be said against premade duos as well? All I want is the OPTION to choose. 

But whatever..Since I am not trustworthy feedback to you then I guess its no use to keep up this discussion. I bet only people that agree with you give trustworthy feedback haha.