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Tyldaa's avatar
Tyldaa
3 years ago

You think hitboxes are fair?

I think this should be adjusted in some manner. So far my only though is to adjust legends speed based on their size, to make it a bit more fair. Smaller legends go slower than bigger ones.
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reconzero's avatar
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@matzesingt

You're absolutely right about the low pick rates for the tubby legends. I forgot about that and yes, it is definitely a sign of a problem. I guess I was thinking more of Wraith's slow slide away from always being the number one pick.

Also, none of the legend deltas are as important in my [lower skill] lobbies as I'm sure they are at, say, diamond or even platinum. In my lobbies all the kids and new beans pick Wraith and Octane and hot drop and die instantly no matter how small their hitbox.

Now you have me thinking.... Are all the high pick rate legends picked because they're small and hard to kill or because they're primarily mobility legends and mobility is always king in a shooter?
Tyldaa's avatar
Tyldaa
3 years ago

Yes, but I think it more synergy of both. For example take legeds with only one attribute

  • Lifeline:  smaller hitboxes but lacks mobility. I often die quickly cause lifeline is usually focuse first.
  • Valkyria: mobile but bigger hitboxes make it also not too hard to hit

Its very subjective, but overally is it also objective in some degree

  • Balladalidila's avatar
    Balladalidila
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    I mean, as long as the hit box is taken into consideration in the legends overall balance, I think its "fair", which I currently it is. A small hit box wont save you from AA anyways haha. Also, pick rates at amateur level, even masters+, is not a good measurement of legend balance imo, especially not now when almost all pros play on private servers to avoid cheaters and not get bad habits from obliterating poor diamonds. If this game want to survive as a game with a serious and healthy pro scene, the game must be balanced according to the professional level and I am fairly sure that pros pay little to no attention to a legends hit box, at least in comparison to the rest of their kit, which I guess you can include the hit box.

    • matzesingt's avatar
      matzesingt
      2 years ago
      @Balladalidila I would usually agree that pro level should a where the balance needs to happen BUT in apex the pro gameplay is completely the opposite of ranked/pubs.

      And btw do the pro pickrates actually not vary that much from what happens in master etc.
      A meta usually trickles down to the lower tiers at some point.



      I cannot fathom how you could consider the hitboxes to be fair when legends like revenant exist lol…the hitbox Is a crucial part that easily can decided the outcomes of fights. The question is does the utility a legend bring outweighs the big hitbox.

      Also doesn’t really matter aa or not even when I play with controller I can say that it’s much easier to oneclip a revenant than a wraith…
      • NitoTanaka's avatar
        NitoTanaka
        2 years ago

        I absolutley agree on the whole Hitbox stuff..

        I need no data to see for myself, i wear on every legends Games played and Kills Trackers to get a rudimental understanding of their respective K/d.

        Under the ones i play most:

        Lifeline: 500kills more than games played, BangBang: 300kills, Octane: 250, Crypto roughly 180 - 200.

        Caustic... 40 Kills more than games played.

        Yes im aware they're all different calibers of characters but there is undeniably a pattern

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