I am going to report every single console player for aim bot until Respawn does their job...

@Zamaha400 No they are not asking for beneficial changes for them, they are specifically asking for the unfair aim assist to not be a beneficial advantage for controller players, those are not the same thing. The MnK community has never given a f about AA on console, we had 10-20 years of console AA that no one cared about cause Crossplay wasnt introduced and generally tournaments didnt feature PC vs Console or controller to begin with.Aim assist wasnt made to balance the power between MnK and Controller, that is absolutely right, however it has become a balancing tool between the inputs as stated directly by developers of multiple crossplay games including Fortnite, Apex and Call of Duty Warzone.MnK users arent specifically interested in how it is done, the main problem and outcome that they want, is that pc competetive environments and tournaments in general does in no way have AA that is an unfair advantage. Whether they seperate the inputs, disable AA on pc and in tournaments, it doesnt really matter. Again i point to the fact we had near 10-20 years of console aim assist that no PC player ever cared about, cause it was console vs console...How in hell does an input that is directly affected by AA, not have a say in the matter ? All inputs are in this world together, all have a say in all aspects of the game, so long as the arguments make sense and are validly backed up with evidence. If you seperate MnK and Controller completely again, then sure MnK should have no say in what happens on Controllers side, just like controller shouldnt on MnK´s side. However the reality is that crossplay is here and it is mostly always going to be here, so the only fair option is to allow everyone to use the superior inputs by hardware and disable artificial benefits like AA, when it comes to ranked, competetive and tournaments.

@CCbathwater Yet consoles/controller inherently made it an issue for pc players/mnk players.So what is your solution then ?It is either seperate inputs completely and give them equally, whatever they want, or remove AA entirely and allow both consoles and MnK to choose a controller or MnK. That is the absolute most fair option.

You seem to be completely unable to understand the argument. 1. MNK arent the ones asking for catering, they are asking for change yes, the change that they take away the catering for controller users getting soft aimbot, cause they are inferior at the game. How they do this is irrelevant, but ultimately for fairness, soft aimbot has no bearing on a comp shooter and comp game in general. If consoles play only with each other and with AA thats fine. They could also simply remove aim assist and allow you to plug a MnK into your console and be done with it, you choose what you want and both platforms can do what they like.2.Equality isnt giving one platform a huge advantage over the other, cause the hardware is inferior for the task. It would be allowing both platforms to use the superior hardware aka MnK or seperating them so it doesnt impact em. Like how we have female and male sports...

@WTF_Huitzo " i'm all in for input lobbies , roller player should all be on console lobbies."How about no? Don't make your PC issues a console issue.

@ComicBookGuy2727 1. The movement techs are inherent bugs in the game that the developers have allowed and want to keep in the game, nearly all forms of movement tech can be done with controllers as well. But yes for fairness they should allow controllers to have an option to also be able to do them. But either way, being able to perform something better cause your input is different is vastly different from giving the inferior input soft aimbot as a crutch. Movement is something we found and have learned to use, AA is something they give to all controller players from the getgo, which is completely unfair.2. How the game is meant to be played is subjective, it is a movement based, character shooter/BR, movement tech that was in the game since titanfall doesnt detract from that at all or make em worse players, mastering movement and aiming is harder to do than not to do it, even when it gives you an advantage, it is the whole reason that so few people are able to and bother with actually learning it.3.Again you are mentioning inherent benefits attributed by the input, just being superior vs the inherent input of a developer making and giving someone soft aimbot. Those are very different things, you could technically remove those benefits from pc players or enable more of it to be done on console (all of it is doable on controller pc forexample), but either way they are vastly different "benefits" and one requires massive amounts of skill and knowledge.4.Cause pc players have the stats to prove their arguments and all controller players have is feelings based whine ? Like it isnt even a discussion, you are conflating and equating that bugs and skill based improvements at a game is at all the same as a developer enabling soft aimbot for 80% of the playerbase per default. Now that we can see that AA is massively too good, to the point that everything pro is legit going full controller, it isnt even an argument anymore...5. All this crying is legit that, we dont care how it is done, but the fact of the matter is that it is here. Whether the inputs get seperated and controller players are left out of tournaments is one way to do it, or seperate inputs tournaments, either way the result is the same, AA is removed as a massive disadvantage vs people who doesnt have it, aka MnK players.AA isnt needed for controllers at all, it never has been, it was invented to make bad couch players able to hit a lot more shots and enjoy console gaming a lot more, without feeling how bad they were. This is a fair idea in a none comp or crossplatform game, but in a comp crossplay game, fairness and an equal battlefield is key. The only equal battlefield you can 100% guarantee that, is to have 0 AA in comp and allow everyone to use whatever input they want.

Aim assist is aim bot, we have data now...

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Florid_watch
2 years ago
Another mnk user crying about aim assist. If you cant win against a controller thats skill issue. Most of you mnk players doesnt even understand how aim assist works all you cry about that aim assist is aimbot. Before you speak do a thorough research. Respawn wont change a thing because they will loose a lot of player. Always crying about aim assist while you spidermaning the whole map. You can move but cant aim thats not the aim assists fault. And most importantly its a video game and video games were meant to play on controllers. Most of the pc games are console ports.
Zamaha400
2 years ago
@dioangel Personally I don't care what PC thinks about Aim Assist since it shouldn't be in their lobbies anyway but this seems entertaining. These stats account for the ranges players fight from at the absolute least right? Because if you're telling me close-range focused players are more accurate than players that are free to fight from mid or long range then that's pretty obvious. Provokes controversy though.
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@BallisticMVP

I can understand wanting the data to be right when it reinforces your point of view, and I'm not saying that pov is wrong. It isn't. I'm saying that a little skepticism is in order. No, the data isn't actively lying, but sins of omission are another issue. There's a lot of information that we don't have about the players who produced that data set, not to mention how ballsy it is to use any data from a modded build and call it gospel. Have you played r5r? Do you know for a fact that the aim assist values in r5r are identical to the aim assist values in the real game?
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@Florid_watch

"Always crying about aim assist while you spidermaning the whole map."

They love to hate when the disparity works against them, but when it works in their favor they have absolutely nothing whatsoever to say apart from "git gud."
BallisticMVP
2 years ago
@reconzero Actually quite the opposite, I don’t want the data to be true… I play both mnk and controller, I wish they were equal but they are not.

Yes I used the r5r client for aimtraining with both controller and mnk
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@BallisticMVP

"Yes I used the r5r client for aimtraining with both controller and mnk"

Then you're the right person to ask: does aa behave the same way in the game as it does in r5r?
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@reconzero wrote:
@BallisticMVP

Thank you for reminding me of yet another way that this data might be compromised: being drawn from "top tier players."
Wouldn’t that be even more alarming?
BallisticMVP
2 years ago
@reconzero You should understand that the r5r client is pretty much a real apex client, the difference are that the client is “open“ when it comes to all kind of settings. That also means that yes the client runs in the same engine behaves exactly the same way.

There is no difference between pc aimassist and r5r aimassist, it. Behaves exactly the same, if it didn’t people wouldn’t use it to train in the first place
dioangel
Seasoned Scout
2 years ago
@Florid_watch I didn’t think I would have to teach playground level logic about same rules and same balance regardless of the hardware, if you CHOOSE to play the game via console then understand that by nature you will be hindered in skill, if you play with mnk you will have a chance to develop your skill further because the hardware you picked is superior.

This, boys and girls, is called life, it’s unfair, but because it’s unfair we are not changing the system to help individuals if they don’t improve, we tried that IRL and it’s called diversity, equality and inclusion, it’s * everything up and it made things worse, merit should ALWAYS be rbe metric for EVERYTHING, you suck at mnk? Get better, you want to play on console? Go ahead but understand that your skill will be inferior because of the hardware YOU CHOSE! Can’t afford a PC? Level up IRL

I am sick and tired of inferior individuals asking for a handicap because they suck in areas they know they can improve.

Objectivity is kryptonite for slackers/losers

All we do is encourage inferior individuals to not level up when you “help” them, you are making them mediocre hence new generations

Teach a man to fish
Zamaha400
2 years ago
@dioangel This... is a confusing rant.
#1. The MnK community is the one asking for change or demanding to be catered to. I personally agree that there should be no controllers or Aim Assist in their lobbies but I also don't care. It's the MnK that wants Apex to change for them.
#2. I think you mixed equity and equality up since equality is something you're asking for here. Equal resources and an equal opportunity to succeed provided you're the better player. I think that's what you want? Thats equality unless I've misunderstood the word.
#3. Everything else you have to say is political nonsense. Even the above points were a little political. Our ways of life were flawed in the past, they're flawed now, and they'll be flawed in the future. The only difference will be which group is whining about things being "worse" or "bad."

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