I've been wondering what is the point of having such crazy recoil patterns on some guns when some people seem to get around it and eliminate it entirely?When I shoot an R99 it kicks like crazy, it wobbles left and right a lot. When I watch some others use it it's literally magic. It's a laser. If they move, their bullet stream literally looks as if it slightly curves to hit the target, 200+ damage streams on people even at 100m.Some shoot the flatline full auto at 150m or so and the same thing happens, the weapon has seemingly no recoil, no bullet spread just streams of bullets, point and click.At this point recoil is just a mechanic to make life absolutely miserable for anyone new that joins this game and anyone dumb enough not to pay money for literal cheats that the devs seem to tolerate entirely. Will there ever be a serious attempt to deal with this issue? Can we maybe get an opt in to play only against PC players if we play PC? PC has crazy cheats too ofc, but at least they are dealt with at some point... console? they get a free pass, forever, and get to play with no recoil and movement macros and what not.

That's true, although they'll probably delete this video link faster than they'll do anything about it.Unfortunately, honest, good players in the narrowest skill distribution on the right (pubs) have it the worst in this game. The number of obvious cheaters is as high as ever. And I'm not talking about 100% HS, because that's almost nonexistent, but about soft cheats like wallhacks, lack of recoil, macros, etc.New players in the middle or left of the distribution experience these kinds of incidents much less often. Good and honest players are the most likely to leave the game, while new players who see such videos simply don't join.The game has unfortunately been infested with cheaters for a long time, but for some reason, this isn't the main problem for Respawn to solve.And believe me, I'm a PC gamer and it's not any better here.Good players have been struggling in this game for a while now.You reach Diamond and don't have a good team -> you don't play ranked anymore because you often have to play against 3-stack masters/preds. Unfortunately, the ranking system has also been destroyed. Currently, we have three ranks: Platinum, Diamond, and Master/Pred. People who frequently reach Platinum/Diamond shouldn't be here at all due to their skill, but the points system for these ranks is so easy that it's hard not to get there since S22. As a result, Master/Pred has had ridiculously easy lobbies for several seasons, which they're destroying.You move to pubs and it turns out your skill distribution looks like people with higher skill play there than in ALGS.And that's where the game ends for these people. You just need to be reasonably good at the game and be in the same lobby where cheaters are most likely to be.

And if that is the case, wouldn't it make sense for the devs to tone down the difficulty of the game for legit players? Why do all the cheats exist after all? To bypass all the difficult aspects of the game.I've ran into players gliding on the ground shooting their weapons with perfect accuracy while you could barely track them to shoot. Why is that kind of movement allowed? What chance does a new player have against someone using macros like that?Youtube is chock full of elite apex gamers who always have a slight screen shake when they shoot with no noticeable recoil in sight. They do this openly, is only some cheating allowed in Apex? Can we get an official list of allowed cheats or do we have to figure out which are which on our own?

Tap strafing. Great. Yet another example of PC B.S. which ALONE should justify segregated lobbies. As if all the other PC cheating wasn't enough. Putting PC players into their own lobbies wouldn't solve every cheating problem in this game, but it sure would solve most of them.

Here's a nice, recent video about this topic. The cheating issue is very wide-spread. If Respawn wants for this game to ever grow again they either need to reign in all the rubbish mechanics that allow people to super glide/fly/swim- whatever BS movement "tech" that requires scripts and macros, and probably make a lot of the competitive weapons easier to use. The new player experience is absolutely miserable. Why is that? Because cheating is rampant. Playing legit against other people that move two times faster than you, have no recoil, have assisted aim is never going to make new players stay with the game, especially when there was no money investment up front. The game will just die a slow death, choked by all the cheaters making money. [CM - Edited to remove link promoting cheating use]

EA_Mako wrote:No one is denying there's an issue with cheaters. It's something we're constantly working to address, along with everyone else in the industry. There unfortunately just isn't a "one-and-done" solution to this, and we have to continually update our detection as the cheaters continue updating their methods to dodge it.It would be nice though if the devs cut down on all the arcane movement mechanics that contribute to a lot of people scripting and using macros in order to keep up with the meta.It would be nice if a lot of recoil patterns would be simpler to handle so that someone that is a new player/returning player wouldn't face an even steeper challenge against the more seasoned players, the experience disadvantage is enough, being mechanically disadvantaged on top of it is just too much, I am speaking from experience.When you add all the above and cheats to the mix the experience for new players is outright toxic. Streamline the game so that a lot of people that are competitive don't even feel the need to script/use macros to pull off ridiculous movement or trivialize recoil. This right here is my main message that I would like for the devs to hear.The devs can choose to ignore such feedback but I honestly believe it's to the detriment of the long term health of the game- new players are simply discouraged to stick around, and it's a shame, it's still a good game if you put all these issues aside.

Apex Legends and weapon recoil, strike packs.

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buffett78
Seasoned Scout
24 days ago
u have 3 choices there, one is to join cheaters and just chill, play as it is, or just quit, last one is best choice imho. why last one, well you talk about the same problem that exists from the start, lesson learned that nothing is going to be done by devs as they're busy pumping **bleep** updates and lame skins, just boycot the game untill its fixed, likely it wont, so just find a better things to do with your time.
EA_Mako
Community Manager
24 days ago

That's true, although they'll probably delete this video link faster than they'll do anything about it.

Well, you're partially correct for sure.

This link was removed to avoid promoting cheating. Hopping in live games with a cheater just to test/"expose" cheats and then posting that is not something to promote.

No one is denying there's an issue with cheaters. It's something we're constantly working to address, along with everyone else in the industry. There unfortunately just isn't a "one-and-done" solution to this, and we have to continually update our detection as the cheaters continue updating their methods to dodge it.

Feel free to check out the blogs below for more info on some of our more recent efforts to tackle the issue as this absolutely remains a priority.

Apex Legends Anti-Cheat Update: June 3, 2025 | EA Forums - 12230672
Anti-cheat and Matchmaking Dev Recap | EA Forums - 12188452
Plsholdstill
Seasoned Novice
24 days ago
EA_Mako wrote:
No one is denying there's an issue with cheaters. It's something we're constantly working to address, along with everyone else in the industry. There unfortunately just isn't a "one-and-done" solution to this, and we have to continually update our detection as the cheaters continue updating their methods to dodge it.
It would be nice though if the devs cut down on all the arcane movement mechanics that contribute to a lot of people scripting and using macros in order to keep up with the meta.
It would be nice if a lot of recoil patterns would be simpler to handle so that someone that is a new player/returning player wouldn't face an even steeper challenge against the more seasoned players, the experience disadvantage is enough, being mechanically disadvantaged on top of it is just too much, I am speaking from experience.
When you add all the above and cheats to the mix the experience for new players is outright toxic. Streamline the game so that a lot of people that are competitive don't even feel the need to script/use macros to pull off ridiculous movement or trivialize recoil. This right here is my main message that I would like for the devs to hear.
The devs can choose to ignore such feedback but I honestly believe it's to the detriment of the long term health of the game- new players are simply discouraged to stick around, and it's a shame, it's still a good game if you put all these issues aside.

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