I have played Apex for many many years and have finally said to myself that Apex is no longer a MKB game. I just wanted to know if other MBK players feel that same and have moved on or thinking about moving on? As a Plat, Diamon and Master player in the last 5 dayts I'm lucking to come out with 10 kills and have decided after carefull thinking it's just not a game to be played on PC. I feel like I'm out matched out gunned and have no shield whatso ever. Just wanted to know other PC players thoughts?Peace out

Bye. MnK still outnumbers controllers players on PC 10 to 1. Look at every single AGLS, where MnK was and always will be the dominant input device on PC. It's just easier for players to use the aim assist argument than admitting their level at the game, I get it.

@LaughingSharko Horrible matchmaking & ineffective anti-cheat are the reasons more than MnK vs Controller AA.

@Nost-xxI'm not trying to minimize your frustration in any way, but I just need to know if I read your post right. You're consistently ranking somewhere around diamond, maybe a little higher or lower... and you feel lucky anymore to come out of a match with ten kills? Or is that ten kills in a night over multiple matches? Just trying to get my bearings here.

First of all I want to address aim assist. From what I remember if you are playing console and console only it's set at 0.6. If you are playing on PC with a controller I believe it's 0.4, 60% and 40% respectively. There is a video out there demonstrating 100% aim assist and it's not what you think. It's aim assist not aim lock on. Even with 100% the reticle still slips away if there is movement involved. It's effective but it's not what you think. For those who don't know there is a bubble surrounding each character and the reticle will, to a degree, stick to the bubble NOT the legend. The reticle will follow the bubble but if the reticle is not on the legend the shots will not hit. Aim assist also doesn't care about recoil. If you can't control recoil then aim assist does nothing. I play controller but I have the option to play MnK and have before. I would say MnK definitely dominates movement. Can controller players do the same? Sure, but it's much harder to learn how to move on controller like somebody does with MnK. Tap straffing for example. I can think of maybe 2 people that can do that. Aim is also much easier on MnK. Try shooting a hemlock with a 3 times at a distance you would actually use a 3 times for. Not up close but a good distance. Seeing as MnK don't use Aim assist I would also say turn off the aim assist. I think you'll find, with proper settings, that MnK is far easier to control than a controller, hence why aim assist exists. You could say that Aim assist is OP or something like that but I've used both. I've spent years on controller, I grew up on controller, controller makes sense to me and it's far easier to use. However if I had the time to learn MnK and put in the hours I definitely would. To me there is just no question. It's faster and easier to aim hands down. Second thing I want to address is the skill gap now versus season 4 or 5. It's changed. A lot. I remember watching YouTube videos of Hal playing controller with somebody else and they didn't know what the buttons were or how to do things and they were still slaying. My only reason for that is because their game sense was so high they didn't need to be amazing aimers or cracked out movement gods. They just understood what was going to happen before it happened. That's a huge lesson that I think a lot of people have learned over the years. People are getting better at the game and because of that people blame it on things like aim assist or aim bot.For those talking about The finals.... it has aim assist for both PC and console. So I don't know what the issue is. I also don't know if anyone remembers when aim assist was turned off for either a couple of days or a couple of hours in Apex and it genuinely broke the game. Like, nobody could play Apex. That should give you an idea on how important it is. Is there cheaters in the game? Obviously. Are they as prevalent as you think? I would say no. If you can, when you die and you think somebody is cheating start recording, Maybe they actually are cheating and now you have evidence. Hard proof is going to get them banned most likely. So that's great news. I would argue though that most of the time you just got bested because of the choices you made. Most likely more to do with positioning and game sense and less to do with aim and movement.

@Nost-xxas soon as "The Finals" will hit the Steam Store a lot of MnK players will leave Apex for good ... keep an eye on Finals and Apex Steam Charts and compare.They learned not to overtune Aim Assist and you always have the option to OptOut of Crossplay , no matter if Console or Not ... and still had 7.5Mio players in Open Beta.To the Respawn Apex Devs : This should be a warning sign, to adress the issues that have been brought up numerous times in the past.

As a PC gamer I think it's time to move on

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ematt84
2 years ago
I'll say it again in different words. The game is 4 years old. People have been playing this game for 4 years and some of them have been on controller the whole time. What makes you think that you, as an MnK player, are the only ones that are getting better at the game? Do you think that controller players don't spend countless hours learning the recoil pattern? Doing what they can to counter movement? Learning the maps and understanding which points are better and which are worse. Understanding the predictable gameplay of others.

If the average controller player were to 1v1 faide what do you think would happen? If the average MnK player were to 1v1 extacy what do you think would happen?
Have you seen faide's long shot aim? What about Valhurst? What do you think his thoughts are? Then maybe jump to Stormen? What do you think his thoughts are? How about Taxi or Reptar? How come Hiswatson got to #1 Pred? How did that happen?

Average players are going to complain about aim assist forever. You are right that it is in companies best interest to make games more enjoyable. If you are looking for a sweat fest, all skill, no added features what so ever, then this probably isn't the game for you. But I say again. Try aiming a controller with aim assist turned off. I did it for a season. It's a totally different game. And yes the arm vs the thumb debate is a real thing. You are talking 128th (most likely more) of an inch vs actual inches. It's a massive difference.
I do not speak for those who use strike packs or other thing that you plug your controller into. I can spot them out instantly and they are garbage. Just to be clear.

But I say again. If you think people who play a game, even casually, haven't gotten better at a game after 4 years. I don't know. Seems like you are missing a pretty big part of the puzzle there.
Anonymous
2 years ago
@ematt84

I used a controller about 90% of my playtime, and I think it's overpowered (started in march 2019), still use one.

While it's true that both input devices have their unique features (without steam profiles), it doesn't necessarily mean they will physically use them. Ability to do something, doesn't mean that person will use it, just means they have access to it (just look at what the internet is mostly used for, mostly never for learning...).

Most m&k users will never use an entire desk just to game, So using the argument of arm vs thumb is nonsensical as most m&k users use their wrist.

I personally like playing DayZ (PC) with a controller even though I have access to a mouse & keyboard, as I just find it more enjoyable. Am I at a loss?, I don't think so. While I also think controllers are more enjoyable, I do not think I deserve aim assistance just to compete with m&k users.

Gaming is meant to be fun, but at what cost to others?

To me, this whole notion of aim assistance and its inclusion or not is a mixture of when businesses use the false notion of accessibility in form of a marketing ploy.

Video game companies want you to feel better about yourself as quickly as possible in a free 2 play title so you're more likely to spend money. Aim assistance plays a role in that. It's not about accessibility and/ or integrity, it's just business.

I don't understand your notion of aiming with a controller without aim assistance. I think the controller is perfectly fine to aim, even without aim assistance (well depends on the user's practice and/ or overall ability I guess).
l_m4ch1n4_l
Rising Vanguard
2 years ago
@r1ggedgame When the open beta was on, I forgot the apex existed.
Rye-Sco
Seasoned Adventurer
2 years ago
Here's a thought if you play MnK and have over a 1.00 k/d you are doing better than what 90% of the player base? That includes controller players 😃
r1ggedgame
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@ematt84the one thing controller player try to avoid is the fact that MnK players have to react themselves (visual response time), whereas the aim assist reacts for the controller player instantly + the aim slowdown (overshoot is also a common problem on MnK, not only on controller). that is the main reason serious critics are fed up with it, not that it acts like an "aimbot/lock-on". The "serious" discussion is also not about that it should be disabled, but to have competitive integrity , which means ... let us decide if we want to join a mixed environment and not being forced to join one for the sake of faster queue times. Which would also eliminate the infamous counter argument of the movement advantage (which is a complete different topic to discuss and i personally dont understand why this strawman is always being brought up, those discussions will always look like a phallus measure contest to me ) ... plain and simple !
In regards to The Finals, yes it has some form of Controller Assistance, but its a different approach to any other shooter game, lots of roller players complain it being "wonky. it kinda takes a similar skill approach as if you would learn how to aim with MnK, Embark seems to have competitive integrity at heart.
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/17kvp8s/aim_assist_mechanics/

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