Battle Pass is not too hard
I frequently see complaints that because of things like Arenas challenges, etc., the battle pass progression in unfair. Well, I started playing on a smurf account about a week ago to queue in my bes...
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A few comments by @warslag and others made me realize that here's a point I didn't address. This fast progress on my alt account was a factor of playing quite a number of games, probably a bit more than 100 games in that period. It is quite likely a lot of these stars were earned via "earn 5000 XP." This kind of progress won't happen with only a small amount of games played unless one is a slave to the challenges.
Thanks for making this point I failed to mention clear. I guess I thought this was obvious and not worth mentioning.
@pandareno1999 That contradicts what you said originally: "I haven't even looked once at the challenges, neither daily nor weekly. And the account's battle pass level right now is 34. Zero Arenas games played. That's a third of the way to finishing, in one week without any effort. I am not getting loads of kills or damage in these games, if i did so I'd have lots more levels. I suggest after this experience that given regular play time, the battle pass is not difficult to finish, it's a breeze."
So there are factors that such as time remaining in the Season or available time to play which could lead to players feeling that completing the BP may be beyonf them. So if they then have to play a mode they aren't interested in, that would add to that frustration.
For example: I have played 133 Arena games this Seaon. And now I'm fed up with Arenas. I stopped playing around Week 8 despite my wanting to complete the weekly challenges within each week, more or less. So now I have 4 uncompleted weeks of challenges and 12 uncompleted Arena challenges within those 4 weeks. Which is disappointing. But I just don't want to play Arenas anymore.
And I came back at the end of Seaon 12 when I rushed thourgh all the weekly challenges only to fail to get to level 110. So I've been doing a lot of challenges lately. With Season 14 arriving shortly, this cycle will beging again and I'm still in the position of not wanting to do anymore Arenas.
So there you are. The crux of it is: when you don't want to play a mode; you just don't want to play it.
I think a good solution to all of this would be merging challenges with the BP. Each BP item or group of items could then have a specific challenge or challenges linked to obtaining it. The challenge should be acheivable in any mode and completable at any time of any Season. Any revenue lost from selling BP levels could be made up by keeping every Season's BP alive.
So there are factors that such as time remaining in the Season or available time to play which could lead to players feeling that completing the BP may be beyonf them. So if they then have to play a mode they aren't interested in, that would add to that frustration.
For example: I have played 133 Arena games this Seaon. And now I'm fed up with Arenas. I stopped playing around Week 8 despite my wanting to complete the weekly challenges within each week, more or less. So now I have 4 uncompleted weeks of challenges and 12 uncompleted Arena challenges within those 4 weeks. Which is disappointing. But I just don't want to play Arenas anymore.
And I came back at the end of Seaon 12 when I rushed thourgh all the weekly challenges only to fail to get to level 110. So I've been doing a lot of challenges lately. With Season 14 arriving shortly, this cycle will beging again and I'm still in the position of not wanting to do anymore Arenas.
So there you are. The crux of it is: when you don't want to play a mode; you just don't want to play it.
I think a good solution to all of this would be merging challenges with the BP. Each BP item or group of items could then have a specific challenge or challenges linked to obtaining it. The challenge should be acheivable in any mode and completable at any time of any Season. Any revenue lost from selling BP levels could be made up by keeping every Season's BP alive.
- @warslag I feel like you're maybe looking deeper into this than was my intent. Every season, we get people whining that there are arenas only challenges and that this will prevent them from finishing the BP. I already knew this is simply not true. By S11, IMO, the devs figured out how to balance the challenges so that the BP was easily achievable without playing a particular game mode. I have finished every battle pass since S10 without playing a single game of arenas.
The reason I made this thread was simply because I noticed that, on my alt account, with 121 games in the last week or two, I've gotten to BP level 37 without looking at or trying to achieve a single challenge. This took me by great surprise.
I'm not really trying to extrapolate from this anything about what finishing the BP might be like for players with minimal play time, like starting two weeks before the end of the season. I'm considering regular play time, throughout a season. Of course I would have to go insane on challenges in order for this alt account to finish the BP. I'm not exactly sure what about my statement you're trying to dispute, but ask away and I will try, if I haven't satisfied them. I think I might have misunderstood you.- @pandareno1999 Well, your display of bravado where you come here saying players are "whining" (which is insulting) about the the mix of modes in the challenges, is something I don't particularly like, and I feel I have to stand up for those players who protest against the way challenges are laid out, as I have been in the position, myself, of needing to use challenges to finish the BP, and wasn't able to. So I know from my own experience that the challenges are flawed.
The daily, LTM and especially the weekly challenges are a jumble, poorly organised and don't really do what they set out to do.
So if there are people who complain about the challenges, I'm here to agree with those people and put their point of view across. Plus, I have also made a suggestion about how the challenges could be integrated with the BP in a revamp that I think would make a lot of people much happier.
But apart from all that, yeah, I just don't like a section of the playerbase of a game that has a lot of obvious fundamental flaws being labelled 'whiners'.
The challenges are a mess, the way they are set-out is lazy and ugly, and they aren't fit for purpose. But it's another area of the game that is sadly neglected and part of the reason for that is because when players complain they are labelled 'whiners'.I find myself a bit short on time, but I wanted to address your post in some fashion in a timely manner. I have a few apologies/concessions to make here. First, primarily, until your latest post, I didn't realize you were taking the position of being the subject of my post. I thought we were just kind of debating. This was incredibly dense of me, and I apologize profusely for this.
Second, I should not have used a word like that, full stop. It was poor judgement and I can't blame you for getting upset with me, considering point one above.
Finally, it was bad judgement for me to make this post towards the end of the season, when many people are working very hard to try to complete their battle pass. I should have anticipated that someone might take it personally and not made the post to begin with. I guess one could accuse me of being tone deaf with making this post at this point of the season and I can't argue that they are wrong. I don't think the BP is made to be easy to finish in a short amount of time. The challenges are intended to be completed by means of regular play over the course of a whole season. But I am sympathetic to those like yourself who, for whatever reason, find themselves in the position of needing to grind really hard to complete it in a shorter time.
My whole take here is simply that we frequently get a lot of posts near the beginning of a season along the lines of "why are there Arenas challenges? Arenas is being forced down my throat!" This is what i take issue with. As I've said, I've had no trouble completing any BP since S10 without touching arenas (I did not complete S9 BP as I played very little). I think that if we looked at the details of how the stars are distributed, with the exception of S9, the devs have distributed the stars in such a way that it is no more difficult to complete the BP by playing only battle royale than it was before Arenas was introduced.
This post became long, I guess my time wasn't as short as I thought. I'm very sorry to have caused this antagonism and I hope that you will accept my apologies and we can move on. Take care, fellow legend!
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