I have had my account since Season 0. I have 1600 career kills, after about six seasons that I've been active in. 1600 kills, across every character, total. My KD ratio is 0.52. This season alone, I have over 300 more deaths than kills; almost 700 deaths, a little over 300 kills. My win ratio is 1.4%. My past 20 games, I have been top 10 in maybe 5 of them, if even that.So I totally deserve to go against players with multiple Master tier badges with over 7000 kills on that character alone, right?I tried switching gamemodes and comparing, and there's literally no difference. I've seen two pred badges in ranked this season, and I'm currently only Platinum 4 (I don't even deserve Platinum, but that's a different subject).Like I can't even learn to play the game or gradually improve. I'm just * on every lobby and it makes an absolutely miserable experience. There's no learning experience or practice when I'm just dead the moment I fire a shot. In any other competitive game, this would be a quick hotfix, and yet we're supposed to deal with this all season??

@Catffeine_Cafe wrote:I have had my account since Season 0. I have 1600 career kills, after about six seasons that I've been active in. 1600 kills, across every character, total. My KD ratio is 0.52. This season alone, I have over 300 more deaths than kills; almost 700 deaths, a little over 300 kills. My win ratio is 1.4%. My past 20 games, I have been top 10 in maybe 5 of them, if even that.So I totally deserve to go against players with multiple Master tier badges with over 7000 kills on that character alone, right?I tried switching gamemodes and comparing, and there's literally no difference. I've seen two pred badges in ranked this season, and I'm currently only Platinum 4 (I don't even deserve Platinum, but that's a different subject).Like I can't even learn to play the game or gradually improve. I'm just * on every lobby and it makes an absolutely miserable experience. There's no learning experience or practice when I'm just dead the moment I fire a shot. In any other competitive game, this would be a quick hotfix, and yet we're supposed to deal with this all season??You must understand that in a free to play game, the game is not the product, you are.The matchmaking is designed to feed you to the 'content creators' and streamers (Type 2). From your self description, you are either a long term Type 5 who has failed to give up and move on like me, or a Type 1 who has just hit their personal skill cap. Neither type will ever have fun with this matchmaking.

As a pretty solid Type 5 who has probably hit my skill ceiling, plays alone or with 1 other person I know at most, & still hasn't quit, I can say @Kyldenar is spot on. I am one of those people that is just above the line of uninstalling give or take depending on the day & my mood. About 10% of the time I have games that make me think Apex is the best game ever created. The other 90% ranges from 'meh' to rage induced insanity. I'm on the morphine drip that Apex's SBMM puts average players on and I just haven't gone off the edge enough to go cold turkey. Maybe I'll find another drug (The Finals?), but maybe I'll just enjoy the high enough to get over the side effects.

@Axs5626Sxa5001Most definitely it is a minority. And there are also variables that cannot be clearly defined. For example a boosted account that has pred trail and or pred and master badges. it could be in that lobby but be a very sub average player using it.That would be enough to make players believe they are actually in a lobby they do not belong to.In my experience, I have noticed that it is very easy to "move up" after a positive game, or 2, but extremely hard to get into an easier lobby.I understand under performing. But that has to be relative. I cannot believe that a pred would be put in a .25 k/d lobby. That should never happen. That type of lobby is reserved for special needs. I do not care how bad a pred needs his adrenaline rush. That is cheating (in that case enabled by SBMM hopefully).All in all it is less of a SBMM issue, and more of a lackluster way of preventing/addressing abnormal behaviors such as cheating/exploiting.I have probably addressed this very issue in other conversations. I believe that stopping players from using ANY macro would be a tremendous improvement. But this is for another discussion.

@KyldenarImagine they can manufacture content creators with "AWAB" (Accounts With Added Benefits).Imagine accounts are not created equally. Content creators have a "better" account than others. As in, hit boxes are smaller. Hits register less. Enemies hit boxes are a little bit larger. Etc.Rigged so that content creators have an easier time, while regular folks just a bit harder one.*Puts tin foil hat down*

@Axs5626Sxa5001A quick scanning of Twitch would reveal that fact. When certain streamers play pubs it is evident that their lobbies are considerably harder than the "average" lobby.However, suppose a very below average player with a .3 k/d. Why would that player ever be in a lobby where there is even 1 Master/Pred?And this is regardless of whether that player fights the above.Now, is that master/pred fudging with the stats for "content creation"? If so that player should be banned.How did a player with .25 k/d ends up with even a single master in his lobby? It cannot be that there are not enough .25, .26, ..., .n for n<.5 players such that a lobby of 60 players cannot be put together?Although skewed, the bell curve for skills is still a valid tool. There are going to be way more players less than master/pred than average and below average.This is not taking into account smurfs. Smurfs exists and contribute to make the experience of the above players, and OP as miserable as it is.

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Vdstrk
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Axs5626Sxa5001

Most definitely it is a minority. And there are also variables that cannot be clearly defined. For example a boosted account that has pred trail and or pred and master badges. it could be in that lobby but be a very sub average player using it.
That would be enough to make players believe they are actually in a lobby they do not belong to.

In my experience, I have noticed that it is very easy to "move up" after a positive game, or 2, but extremely hard to get into an easier lobby.

I understand under performing. But that has to be relative. I cannot believe that a pred would be put in a .25 k/d lobby. That should never happen. That type of lobby is reserved for special needs. I do not care how bad a pred needs his adrenaline rush. That is cheating (in that case enabled by SBMM hopefully).

All in all it is less of a SBMM issue, and more of a lackluster way of preventing/addressing abnormal behaviors such as cheating/exploiting.

I have probably addressed this very issue in other conversations. I believe that stopping players from using ANY macro would be a tremendous improvement. But this is for another discussion.
Catffeine_Cafe
3 years ago
I don't want the game to maximize my chance of winning, I want it to adapt its matchmaking to my skill level so I can steadily learn the game. Just as there's not much to learn from getting put in a lobby with completely new players and effortlessly 1v3ing squads winning the game with 9+ kills, there's also not much to learn from getting killed before you can even start shooting.

I try to stay open-minded and learn from every death, but when every game I die a different way, there isn't room to learn and practice applying what I've learned.

I know they're completely different games, but League of Legends, for example--a game with a REALLY good matchmaking system--if I am trying to practice one element of the game, because I am put in a game with all players of similar skill levels, I can just focus on practicing that element of the game without worrying about getting killed and losing the game before I can even react. Same with World of Warcraft, a game where you choose the skill level of the people you play with yourself.

Again, I know they're completely different games, and looking for 60 people of a similar skill for one lobby for thousands of players isn't realistic without a playerbase of millions online at any given point. But I don't feel like I should ever be put in a lobby with even a single team of Master/Pred players when I struggle to keep my KD above 0.5.

No, I'm not getting put in a lobby with all Masters/Preds, but the presence of even one or two squads is disenchanting.

Maybe I just need to "adapt".

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