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GRiPSViGiL
Seasoned Ace
7 years ago
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Convo with an admitted aimbot user

So I added a cheater to let them know I got evidence and they gave no F's.  Said at least 30 times they had been reported by video and frankly the person doesn't care.  Selling wins.  That is what this person is doing.  I almost can't fault it because there is a market for this.  He has customers.  Who out there is buying this service?  Should Apex need to start banning all accounts in a premade if one is a hacker?

I had no clue there was a market for wins in a FPS game, that never donned on me.  I am not even actually mad at that reason.  I would equate the cheating streamers as scum for trying to pass off their gameplay as skill as scumbags over this any day.  I watched this hacker make $5 last night winning the game he mowed me down in.  

Interesting to say the least but it shows how rampant the problem is from a motivation I didn't really expect.  I get power leveling in MMORPGs but wow, I learned something new on this one.

  • VisualfEX's avatar
    VisualfEX
    7 years ago

    I don't know about casuals but people pay for ranked matches all the time in every game. Mostly for cosmetics because every game end of season ranked has a reward system. Some people don't care enough about the actual ranking just want the rewards. I've also seen it multiple times on Apex,Overwatch,CSGO. They sell "boosts" and rank people up super quick in exchange for cash (No idea on pricing but that seems about average) 

    Nothing new really some people may have not known but if you've been PC gaming for awhile you know boosts have been a thing whether from pro players or hackers so that you can easy climb and/or get rewards. This is all without the risk of being banned because it's impossible to prove your que'ing with someone on purpose to do it, I mean you can't even report your teammate for hacking anyway the only options that show up are harassment and meaningless report functions. I say meaningless because I don't think I'll ever hear a story of someone being banned for racism/homophobia/harassment it just doesn't happen on online FPS games or else no one would play because majority love to trash talk and half would be banned lol. Never understood why you can't report teammates for hacks.

    But in short yeah this is pretty standard no idea why anyone would pay for a boost in casual where it has no bearing but as for ranked that's been going on since day 1.

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  • It's impossible to know in advance how much cheating will occur in your title. But even if you expect the worst, bulletproofing is an enormously difficult process. Nobody makes games from scratch, devs reuse code from previous projects, using engines and tools that are older and come with a lot of unresolved issues. A new engine would take many years to develop, with no guarantee that the end result will be significantly more hackerproof.

    The best way to eliminate most cheaters is to have everything on the server, like Google Stadia, but, even then, someone will probably develop some clever AI to process the video stream to detect targets faster than the human eye and adjust the input accordingly. 

  • Silz616's avatar
    Silz616
    7 years ago

    @DoYaSeeMe wrote:

    Heh, I was about to start a topic, asking about some in-depth articles or interviews regarding the cheating topic in modern multiplayer games. I found this video that explains nicely some basics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQEAmpQScMk . 

    Now, Apex is a unique kind of experience, I'd say. I think the huge number of cheaters is not because there's not enough effort to clean up. The complexity and fast pacing make this game feel very competitive and hard, I can't recall any other game I played over the last two decades to have such intensity. Wins, even kills are hard to get, I'd say the average kill / death ratio is well below 1, while top placement happens only once every 20-40 matches for a mid core / casual player. It's safe to assume that frustration gets really high, making a lot of players turn cheats to get their daily dose of reward.

    My first few hours in Apex were horrible, I kept dying often before emptying the first magazine, sometimes not even knowing where the shots came from. I'm not afraid to say that even I got  tempted at one point to give a try to an aimbot, being curious of how much does a cheat alter the experience, but also because I felt the need to survive more, to learn some aspects of this game and do some damage. Luckily, I had a few great randoms that carried me to the win and explained to me how to approach things better, so I'm still here 380 hours after, with a horrible kill / death ratio, but enjoying the battles a lot more and feeling that my skills have improved significantly, which is arguably the greatest reward a game can offer.


    ^^^^ This. I came from faster TTK games (mainly Cod & TF2) and I was, and still am getting melted by better players.

    Apex is tough imo, and the learning curve is definitely steep. People see streamers play and it looks so effortless and they want to emulate that straight away without having to put the hours in.

    It's a sad state of affairs that people cannot just accept their skill level and deal with it. They'd have more fun if they did, I'm sure. Who will be talking about a 4KD in Apex in 3 years time? Nobody lol.

    Great post and you echoed my sentiments.

  • GRiPSViGiL's avatar
    GRiPSViGiL
    Seasoned Ace
    7 years ago

    So it has been a few days and the hacker didn't unfriend me so I see when he is online playing and every time I have logged in since the initial encounter he is on playing.  I know others have reported seeing the same hackers from way back when Apex first dropped so no surprise there but what gives?  I report and the hackers said he had been reported before by video evidence so how is it not a slam dunk to ban the account?  


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