@EA_David@EA_KentMessage from NRG_Sweet : https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sro7ggCheater not only blatantl cheat, they will DDOS if they get killed, they can also ROB your precious RP -800 RP : https://twitter.com/StayNaughtyy/status/1408827646880927750The things went so out of control, even the only police can't take a little break :https://twitter.com/RSPN_Hideouts/status/1408105128482246659

https://twitter.com/respawn/status/1409593878039076872?s=21

@asukojo Streamers as anti cheat authority is a pretty bad idea. Not only that they are strongly biased, but they also don't have enough available time to do proper police work (as it means sacrificing the majority of their play time), they lack developer knowledge (tools, methods, coding, etiquette, etc.) and they are vulnerable (a lot of them had their accounts hacked, their connection killed, etc.). It would be pretty easy to have anti cheat stuff fall into the hands of hackers with all these insecure points.The fight against DoS and DDoS did not start with Apex, it's been going on for decades. Respawn had this fight going on since Titanfall and there are rumors it might be some of their former colleagues that exposed some vulnerabilities or vital info, probably regarding their engine.Also, these type of attacks aren't that easy to spot. Thousands of players connecting at the same moment can resemble an attack, so if they make the system more sensitive, it would result in a lot of players not being able to play during peak times. Another things about these attacks is that they don't always need to be targeted at the game's servers to do damage. AWS is dealing with some of the biggest attacks pretty often.

@asukojoI do not trust streamers to uphold a healthy system. They die to someone even if by accident a lot already yell cheaters. Nor do big streamers have the time to do that type of work with them playing 12 hours a day so that is already flawed. People who would help with this would need 12 hours a day assisting with the actual issue. Not when they get bored and wanna do it.The program could work for people to help with this issue but I dont feel streamers are the way to go about it. That is just giving them more clout then they need. I personally would not want my fate in the hands of some streamer who is salty he got melted.We are talking about lets say maybe 50 top streamers who have a major viewing who could possibly be trusted for such a task. 50 people out of a possible 50m + playing players. With that being said they would not even scratch the surface which i can see they actually need not think through. I dont think people understand the magnitude of this type of work.

@asukojo Streamers having the ability to ban is a bad idea. Think about how people like hal and daltoosh react to stuff in game on stream. One death, they start freaking out and suddenly these characters must be nerfed. The incorrect rage banning would be off the charts.

@KissYourHomieUwU @BaldWraithSimp I see Hal doing it from time to time and even Guhrl. Let the streamers be streamers and actually play the game.This is a sad state of the game. I love the passion that the community has shown around the issue. I guess we're all desperate because the state of the game is just that bad. Rather than having the community do the job for EA, let them be accountable and hire people. Have EA shell out some of that money they got from all those collection events. The burden of moderating games should not be given to the players. Hire an army of hideouts.

Empty Promises and False Hope. #SaveApexRanked before it's too late.

41 Replies

soccerking122
5 years ago
@asukojo wow the people attacking hideouts despite losing a family member are very messed up in the head for that.

As for the sweet message I agree that the cheating has been out of control for so long. I 've played in diamond lobbies a good amount but not enough to experience cheating fortunately, but for those who grind those high level ranks alot, it must suck having to deal with cheaters/ddosers very often. Hideouts definitely needs help cause at the end of the day, he's just 1 man and there's only so much he can do. Last the streamers being able to ban cheaters, that's a tricky one cause it can be good as they can help slow down the cheating problem a bit, but it can also be catastrophic since there's a slight chance that some of them might abuse this to their advantage or be biased with who they want banned.
Cheese9Man
5 years ago
Attacking hideouts is wrong but there should’ve been more people with the same position in Respawn. It seems that he’s the only guy policing apex then the rest is the anti-cheat system. So when the only guy you hired had a work leave, the cheaters went crazy for a few weeks.
pandareno1999
Hero+
5 years ago
https://twitter.com/respawn/status/1409593878039076872?s=21
asukojo
5 years ago
1. Hiring more people is expensive. Sweet recommend to distribute that authorithy to responsible streamers, much cheaper and more efficient. Of course there's a risk of bias and abuse of power. Well, you need police supervisor (hideout) to check their work.
2. Detect DDOS is easy since it's happening in front of your face and bad guy most likely inside the lobby himself.
Catching greedy cheater one is easy since he got the most RP during the attack.
Stopping future DDOS is much harder since attacker is smart one, this will be long battle.
3. Investigating ways to more quickly catch and remove cheaters from games.
- If remove from rank, that's easy. 1st is increase the rank requirement for each level , the higher the rank, the higher level require.
Then remove ability to bunny hopping by using your team mate to shortcut to higher rank. Bronze cannot team with diamond/master to join predator lobby.
- Since every bullet already tracked by server, all abnormal bullet is cheating. bullet that bend or acting like torpedo.
- Since every gun has own characteristic, all abnormal gun behaviour is cheating such as gun that tracking the enemy head.
- etc
Cheese9Man
5 years ago
@pandareno1999 That’s great. Kinda sad though that popular streamers would have to protest on twitter before they release any statement on the issue. It has been a year already that people were saying Hideouts can’t do it alone.
Lord_Scorpion34
Legend
5 years ago
@pandareno1999 As cool as that sounds, the game has been out for 2 freakin years! They've made BILLIONS off this game yet they have had ONE GUY handling cheaters this whole time!? I'd call that mismanagement.
pandareno1999
Hero+
5 years ago
I dunno why you guys are @ing me like I wrote the tweet lol
E9ine_AC
Hero+
5 years ago
@asukojoI do not trust streamers to uphold a healthy system. They die to someone even if by accident a lot already yell cheaters. Nor do big streamers have the time to do that type of work with them playing 12 hours a day so that is already flawed. People who would help with this would need 12 hours a day assisting with the actual issue. Not when they get bored and wanna do it.

The program could work for people to help with this issue but I dont feel streamers are the way to go about it. That is just giving them more clout then they need. I personally would not want my fate in the hands of some streamer who is salty he got melted.
We are talking about lets say maybe 50 top streamers who have a major viewing who could possibly be trusted for such a task. 50 people out of a possible 50m + playing players. With that being said they would not even scratch the surface which i can see they actually need not think through. I dont think people understand the magnitude of this type of work.
hayhor
Hero
5 years ago
@asukojo Streamers having the ability to ban is a bad idea. Think about how people like hal and daltoosh react to stuff in game on stream. One death, they start freaking out and suddenly these characters must be nerfed. The incorrect rage banning would be off the charts.
hayhor
Hero
5 years ago
@asukojo Oh and the people that jump on hideouts and the devs got a good taste of humble pie. You should never ever do that. It isnt the guys working on the games fault if they are not allowed the resources needed. Get mad at the people on charge.