Honesty regarding Pathfinder Nerf

Or, you can do what I do, which is to make a clear concise statement and not play devil's advocate. If you want someone's opinion, ask them for it rather than running around in circles making vague statements in order to figure out what someone is thinking. This isn't person A trying to figure out if person B is a homophobe. This is a discussion board for a game, you should've explicitly expressed who or what you're referring to.  You don't have to backtrack and say you're vagueing to see what OP's opinion is, because they've made their opinion. They don't like how the nerf was carried out. You made yours, you like how it was carried out.

OP's Opinion: "Whether you are for or against the Pathfinder grappling hook nerf, you HAVE to agree that nerfing ANY one character attribute by 133% in one update is not the way to respect a portion of any playerbase. I’m thinking they could have achieved this more gradually over time as opposed to dropping a bomb on Pathfinder mains. "

Yours: "Path was overdue a nerf for seasons now. All in one go now. Beautiful. No dilly dallying, just cut off the leg and be done with it style."

There's also a big difference between, "I'm confused and want you to elaborate more on this particular matter." and, "I don't understand who or what you're referring to as important context in this discussion." The former would have someone ask your for more information. The latter should've been expressed in the context of the post. 

"Last I checked, this was a discussion board, not a complain one, so I don’t think these forums are for complaining, but discussing things. However, complaining might accompany them, but they’re not for that purpose." The complaints are the topic of the discussion, it has been ever since the game came out. Complaints about terrible teammates, the SBMM system, ranked cheaters, hit-reg issues, lag, unstable servers, etc. etc. have all been topics of discussion. Not a part OF A discussion, but THE discussion itself. 

Perhaps if you were less vague this discussion would go more smoothly. As it stands, all the inferred tone I'm getting from you is a "holier than thou" attitude. I'm no stranger to microaggressions.

"As you said, you’re not a mind reader, so try asking for more details next time. It might work better."

@ILikeGlueHmm yea god forbid legends be unique.

@pastaclown yea i cant imagine every feeling that harshly about path, cut his legs off?? lol... i havent heard ever that he deserves that nerf, ive heard hit box only

@a24zxc5411011abx Pathfinder's hitbox was a big topic of debate as some of his skins make him a lot wider than he actually is, leading to shots seeming going through his model. Aiming for the little face on his torso has always worked for me, though it can be harder to spot at a distance. 

As for my opinion on the nerf, I haven't noticed a difference. I only ever used grapple to move towards guaranteed advantageous positions, both offensively and defensively, and tried not to rely too heavily on it. 

On topic, my opinion is the same as OP. The nerf was handled poorly and unceremoniously, without proper communication or reason, and is consistent with how the developers have treated the community thus far. Ignoring most if not all valid criticisms of the game, and pushing whatever update they have. 

@pastaclownSo... what I did in my post asking them what their stance was on a matter I find connected to the topic is not ‘asking them for it’? I asked the OP for it and you come with your inferrals and we have this nice discussion about something entirely different. So this was a person A wanting something about person B, but a person C pops up kinda situation. But that’s okay cause I like a good discussion. I asked my question to the person, so I did what you wanted me to do. The only thing I didn’t made clear is why I asked said question.

I haven’t backtracked at all. The OP gave his opinion about the Pathfinder nerf yes. That’s why I didn’t ask about that, but asked about other similar situations to see what he thinks about that so I can better understand it. People tend to answer questions more openly and thoroughly (more thinking involved) if you ask about similar experiences instead of asking directly why they think something about something because their mind is dead set on an answer already (just a lil detour I had to make).

The OP’s opinion was about the fact that the 133% was too harsh. My opinion only speaks about a nerf itself. I’m not talking about the 133% part. Like I said before, if I (dis)agreed with his standpoint, it could affect the way he interacts with me. If I ask more questions I could give my opinion on the severity of the matter more openly that can lead into a healthy discussion.

Can’t argue with your discussion comment. Right as reign. But that’s why they’re a part of it imo but it may differ for you. It never turns into a discussion if it’s about complaints. It’s just a back and forth of insults or counter complaints.

Nope, this discussion was set to go between me and the OP. You have an opinion on my tone which you may, but that was not what I wanted to discuss. I actually find the discussion running smoothly. Just sensing a little hostility since you don’t like the way I’m presenting myself, which is always good in a discussion in my book.
Lolz Well it’s certainly quite amazing if you get the ‘holier than thou’ feeling from a guy who’s neither religious nor condescending. But that might also be the case for me sensing hostility while you may say that you’re not at all hostile. We can’t help the way we feel.

For that last part my offer still stands. If you want to know more, just ask me. Or look at other threads regarding the pathfinder nerf to see what my stance is on the matter.

Pathfinder hasn't lost any ability.

His tactical *still* has the same function.

He *still* has one of the most useful Ults in the game.

All that's changed is you can't catapult yourself 10 miles away from your teammates and start wildly pinging.

There's no need to be grappling so frequently, other than it giving you an unbalanced advantage. 

@Koochi-Q It's admirable you'd go to such lengths to keep things civil despite the possibility of having differing opinions. I understand the importance of opening people up to discussion rather than directly asking for an unwarranted opinion on things, and also the quality of answer you get from it. However I didn't feel it was necessary on (what seemed to me) a clear cut yes or no post, and thus had wrongly assumed you had taken a, "Well of COURSE it was 100% correct you idiot" stance. I'd like to apologize for that, it's hard to infer tone and context using only text.

I also want to address that my statement on inferred tone was not meant to be a point of discussion, but rather hoped you would assure me that there was no ill intent behind your post. There's a lot of people on the internet, and a ton of them hold that kind of, inflated ego, getting off on being superior, kind of mentality that irks me so. I've dealt with them, you've probably dealt with them too. I've never seen you in such light and was hoping that that wasn't how you were taking this discussion. 

Lastly, it'd be a shame to end this without getting your actual opinion on whether or not the implementation was respectable to the community or not. My stance on the nerf itself is that it does feel a little heavy if you rely on it a lot, yet with my playstyle I've not noticed a difference. As for it's implementation, I don't believe that it was put forth in a way that would appease anyone had such a thing happened to their main character. It was unceremonious and without reasonable contextual evidence, quoting it "...muddied combat legibility..." yet did not address serious combat legibility concerns such as enemy character models not registering on screen until they shoot you, the continuous hit-reg errors we've had for multiple seasons, as well as the game-breaking audio issues that have persisted for a while. 

What's your opinion on this issue?