I only require you to win your 1v1s

@EshshshssI see bad teammates in ranked who can't win fights because they spend most of their time looting in pubs just as much as I see hardstuck hot droppers/solo pushers.

To get better in aim duels you have to take as many fights as you can in casual against whoever you come across regardless of their skill level. So that automatically means you will score higher the better you get, and satisfaction/fun comes with it.

I have no idea how this discussion went to 'what kind of person am I'. Is this an appeal to morality?

@BaldWraithSimpI don't agree with this assumption of infinite growth = if I play a lot and fight a lot I will get stronger and score higher. In that case, all the bullies in the world would be world champions of martial arts.

In reality, your progress will always be relative to competition and win/success/score rate will always be a function of how much others progress.

Thus you might have a case where you train, fight yet keep losing or not winning more.

Getting back to my point - if you regularly experience a trend of ever-increasing "fun" from slicing through lobbies, especially in public games, then you have to ask yourself a question are you playing vs lower-ranked players and enjoy pushing them over or you are just a boy/girl genius who has infinite growth trend/super progress in comparison to similarly skilled players.

In my experience the "normal" curve in ranked games go something like this:
- you first come into the game and get owned, because you don't know anything about it, no fun at this point, just pain
- over time if you invest the time you get the basics down, at this point you start to feel like you at least belong, some fun starts to appear
- over longer time again investing time and targeted effort you go above "average" player in Apex terms that would probably be like lower Diamond rank, here I would say a player would reach the most fun per game
- then you hit the wall where you either don't have all the tools or information or both to go above and beyond in Apex terms - no set squad to play with daily, lack of competitive hardware, lack of information about the game mechanics like recoil etc., here again fun is close to 0, usually majority of players give up here
- for those who make it somehow past the previous point, I guess comes the top of the top-level (never been there) and satisfaction, the fun of being able to flex about it and objectively beat most of the players in-game on regular basis - must be fun for some.

The point where a player would flex in my opinion is only the last one, because you played them all, you won them all, if you can beat best of the best and have 4k 20 bomb game - sure flex away, you are the best, no doubt about it.

For those who flex before that flexing is always a moral decision as you always flex on the expense of someone who lost and those losers might be just new players/much weaker players = you kill their motivation, promote the community to flex on "kids" as streamers in Apex call everyone in the game nowadays.

@EshshshssNever said anything about 'infinite growth', the only way to get better is to take fights was my point. Those high scores are so rare, it takes seasons to even beat my last one. That's an achievement for me, that I performed better than I used to and it took so long to get there. I will surely make a post if I ever(no chance) get a legit 4k badge, same way I was happy about making it to diamond for the first time.

I kill someone, somebody else kills me. That's the point of the game, I don't feel any inferior if I see someone posting his high score(doubt anyone does). You are reading too much into it, in my opinion.

As for the new players/weak players, it's been suggested to limit demotion stacking since eternity in ranked(pubs is free for all). I would be overjoyed if they don't send me below Gold, would save me some time in my grind.

I really don't get the point of calling enemies kids, I squirmed when I hear zachmazer/tfue use it in every sentence 

@AshSimpQueen

You are calling the same thing in two different names

a) fast progress where you go from one level to another and slice through lobbies no matter the level = infinite progress

b) slow progress through practice and beating your previous PRs etc. = it is AGAIN infinite progress

What people don’t realize or accept is that they have to face the severe reality that at one point you will hit the wall and you will NOT get over it. Game wise – you will hit say Diamond 4 and the only way to get to Diamond 3 for you will be hacks because this or that factor be it you or be it others, the game.

That’s the reality yet people just keep ignoring it and keep imagining “progress”.

See e.g. Quake scene – pro players there have been there for DECADES, new faces have come and they lost despite showing some signs of potential, great plays, in the end, they lost to Rapha and those odd wins are there but at the same time, no one disputes Rapha’s status.

For most people that is boring, but the reality is what it is and the only person who can flex is Rapha, rest even if they do win an odd game/tournament vs him shouldn’t.

That comes to my conclusion - unless you come up with some breakthrough change in your game, at some point all the games you play (assuming competition is on the same level) should become those “average games” no one flexes about. If you do have a game where you highly exceed these stats, WHILE doing the same thing you did yesterday or a season before, the variable factor here is matchmaking, lobby skill level which you should not flex about, because you know that the next 10, 100, 1000 games will be again just average.

@hayhor

I take information what “pro” players with the grain of salt. Why? Because we all have heard those advice from various life situations be it:

- go get a good education and you will earn millions (in reality most of the world struggles with student loans and well-paid jobs)
- eat well, get enough protein and sleep and you will become an elite bodybuilder (in reality now all of those people say that steroids did most of the work)
- train for hours in pubs and aim trainers and you will get godlike aim (in reality there are cases where game developers call out pro players and ask them to stop hacking so bluntly, there are cases where people are publicly caught representing well-known organizations again by hacking even in competitions in LAN)

In Apex I hear all of those things and yet I see in streams that the most impact on their game is done by a) set squad b) grinding what comes to ranked b) crazy beaming … I make conclusions and compare what I see (facts) vs what they preach (questionable information/matter of trust). As one Predator in Apex (kudos to him) said to me in Discord – sorry man, I will not let you in on “how I do it”, I don’t need extra competition.

@E9ine_AC

That is all good and dandy but if you are faced with a set squad who just focuses on you, you are dead, no matter your movement or zipping because those players will just stick together and beam you 1v2 or 1v3. All those fancy moves are mostly working on lower ranked people who panic or are disoriented and lose track of teammates, spread apart and give you 1v1 1v1 and 1v1 instead of 1v3. And all “pros” give this tactics as the main and only way to win – isolation. If you don’t, you are dead given competition are not way too weak.

Show me the clip of your highest rank lobby game where you pull it off and we can continue this discussion. I have not won a single 1v3 in the Diamond lobby, I lost most of my 1v1s there to be honest, the situation only improves in this factor when I am in Platinum lobbies when most ex-diamonds are already in Diamond ones.

@E9ine_ACI hear people do nothing but complaining and saying ranked score needs fixed..I just made diamond from bronze 4 in 6 days..haven't played ranked since I hit master few seasons back I just wanted to see if it was the "sweat lobbies" everyone said it was..had 8 days left in this season heck I could have moved onto master..but you make a good point fighting an getting better at movement is as or more important than gun skill..and practice hip fire alot..zip line jump into a room from above or below slide in hip fire an move side to side makes all the difference.. I love when people aim an shoot almost standing still lol

@E9ine_ACwell from what I just read you are just confirming what I am preaching here:
- your max potential / wall was(or maybe still is) Pred
- you are flexing about 20 bomb in Platinum = 3+ levels below your skill wall
- not sure if you mean that you took out 2 teams 1v3 in a row in ranked, public with skills like yours = again, no flexing please
- you are getting fun from slicing through lobbies while "8 teams in final ring" is too not fun or I would call it not easy enough even for Pred like you

Typical Apex pred, just add hacking along the way and then I will given you a badge of an honorable typical Pred in Apex 🙂

Thanks for sharing though.

@iGRAPPLE83another one flexing for nothing.
I did not play FPS for 15 years and I hit P4 in my first split in Apex, by the 4th full split in Apex I was D4, progress since then - zero, still D4 without any potential to go further until I find a team.

Does it mean something? In my opinion only one thing - from the get go and my previous experience I was just better than all B4-P1 ranked players in Apex (who could not get to D4 even when playing for it) and that is a lot of people, because I just had 4000+h in FPS before and good foundation, knowledge how FPS work, plus competitive focus on the game not to just have fun.

Reach Masters in 14 days and then will talk man, Ex-master flexing on sub D4... weak.

@iGRAPPLE83you are still flexing my man. The fact that it takes you, me or anyone else to get from A to B rank does not mean that you have to flex and argue that lobbies are easy and people who think otherwise as wuss.

They are for you. But up to a point of D4 or 10k Masters, and then wheat... you ain't even Pred some Pred might say... does it make life easier for anyone who is not even D4 or for me where I see no sight of going through D4 soloq while up to this point it was kinda an easy(-ish) way for me?

When you get to D4, Masters or any other level and play there for a while being stuck, let's see what you have to say about the ranked system and points.

I have K/D of 0.4-0.5 in all seasons and I am D4. Means nothing yet again as there are so many aspects why I have it 5 times less and yet our difference in skill 100% is not 5x.

Keep flexing on "kids" 🙂 be a hero of this community. If you would be a more decent human being you would coach people for free on how to get to Masters yet that takes a bit more than 2.46 K/D, its easier to flex.

@E9ine_ACI did not say it was impossible or something. I am still talking about flexing about the fact.

Geez...translate.google.com in case English is not your native language or main foreign one, or read more books to get the idea man, learn how to listen to other people and what they say.

I will remind you that my dialogue started after Cheezeman posted his fun, good game of killing 25% of a lobby with his team and I found it neither fun, nor something that indicates his skills, nor benefits the community.

And we keep talking how moral it is to post such screenshots idolizing such unfair games = what community here calls flexing.

Same goes to your fact about going to Pred and landing 20 bomb in Plat (while having Pred potential or actual skill level) and iGrapple man's brag about 6 day sweep and 2.46 k/d. It's all just flexing.

Secondary point was about whether you can ask people/teammates to win their 1v1 always/most of the time and how that correlates with Apex matchmaking and games like the posted one.