Implement input based matchmaking to avoid balancing issues (tap strafing)

@SulanSr

What makes you think that higher ranked games are more controllers? Can you provide a link that shows the input stats?

I ask because the highest form of “ranked” is technically comp (ALGS), and the MAJORITY of players are MnK. So it wouldn’t make sense that Diamond/Master/Pred lobbies are mostly controller but then magically ALGS is mainly MnK.

Controller players are not dominating FPS games at the higher levels. MnK has a much higher skill ceiling and that is absolutely reflected by the presence and success of tournament winners from this and every other game that allows both inputs.

@Axs5626Sxa5001 ALGS had zero console people make it to Pro league too. So the whole console vs PC thing should be put to bed to me.

While I'd like to see PC players given the option to shut crossplay off, pointing out differences makes it easy to blame something other than your own gameplay.

@lightning_5o Tell that to all the pro´s complaining about aimassist... they probably just not gud enough hmm?

@Axs5626Sxa5001 Only Respawn can provide you with those stats, so no i dont have any stats to back up my claim.

You just have to spectate the games you die in and you will see that they are controller players (Not all OFC), and yes 50% time i * up or just play bad.

But still every time i question a down or a kill its almost always a controller/console player thats behind it, and as an old consoleplayer myself i can 100% say that the aimhelp in APEX is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar more OP than in other games.





"I ask because the highest form of “ranked” is technically comp (ALGS), and the MAJORITY of players are MnK. So it wouldn’t make sense that Diamond/Master/Pred lobbies are mostly controller but then magically ALGS is mainly MnK."



Hmm alot of ALGS teams played Hybrid, meaning that they used M&K at start of the game and controller for endgame untill EA banned it for comp.

That should say something...



But fact of the matter is still me and many others simply dont want to play against controllerplayers and it should be an option to not have to face them since we are on different inputs with different strengths and weaknesses.

@rperry2424 https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/Rapid-Fire-via-Steam-enabled-for-Controllers/m-p/11029388#M74335

@rperry2424 how I view this all currently:

- Respawn wants to even up ground for controller players, introduces aim-assist in the game => people including M&K players start to abuse that option via hacks aka aim and soft bots, because the game has that logic built into it

- Respawn introduces crazy moves that are FPS dependant while FPS in many cases are not stable in this game etc., talking about tapstrafe, super glide and super jump. => people just create macro commands for them and this "skill-based" movement becomes yet another rule violation case

- Respawn introduces aim-assist to close the skill gap between input devices => players (average) switch to controller and dominate mid-level lobbies especially in close range fights e.g. yesterday had 2 players on the team who literally did not have brains yet they did 1.5-2x more damage than me because every time enemy came close R99 and Car was used to do up to 200 damage, later this was used as an argument towards me in a format "who do you think you are to make the calls, criticize our gameplay if you have only XXX damage"...and this happens daily plus you can see those controller players know that as they rarely disclose the fact about input device, in my case most of the time it happens when I accuse them of using no recoil (which to be fair might be there still/in the first place)

= Aim assist on only for console players + option for PC players to skip being matched with console players / controller+PC = well too bad for you, hope you are good enough to play without aim-assist or rich enough to by mouse and keyboard / every "advanced" movement off, let people play the game "normally"

@SulanSr Sorry for the late response:

Yes, playing hybrid tells me that there are some advantages to controller and some advantages to MnK. A few teams right now are trying to incorporate one controller player to their team, for a small edge in close fights. But they aren’t pushing for 2 controller per team because teams realize that puts them at a disadvantage the majority of the game.

My point is:
MnK has some perks
Controller has some perks

Overall:
MnK Perks > Controller Perks

Anyway, you have my support on Crossplay though. Even if MnK is (overall) more advantageous, PC players should have the CHOICE to play with and against who they choose.