Caustic is majorly under-powered, his ultimate does hardly anything compared to other ultimates like Gibraltars, his ability takes too long to activate.In my opinion his ultimate should be his ability just with less area covered with his grenades, his ultimate should then turn to something different for example, an airstrike with gasses.EDIT:Caustics trap should be smaller, should be allowed to place on walls and should activate faster.His ultimate should be better or just charge faster.His Nox gas isn't very deterring as it only does 2 damage a tick so it should do much more damage.From the twitch rivals event, there is a poll that asks who you play and he is the lowest with 3% this shows that no-one likes him because he is under-powered.Looking for others opinions.

I believe it is too early to fully tell however some things I noticed with Caustic. He seems to excel in the very beginning and the very end (if the end is around buildings). If fights break out in middle of the open, he seems useless. Idk if it is just me, but he seems to run incredibly slow. I think his gas damage is too little. I'm not suggesting it be insanely higher, but maybe 1-2 additional damage per tick. The biggest issue I run into are enemies aren't deterred by the gas at all. I like to land Bunker a lot and often times, enemies will just run through the gas without a care in the world. If I choose to run through the aerial strike, I get punished heavily for it. If people choose to run through the gas, I feel they should increase the blurred vision or actually feel punishment for it.

I like caustic but he's very situational. He's the kinda character you play with an organised group. His gass is weak as hell but if you look at it like a jumped up version of Bangalore's smoke it's not that bad. Infact it works pretty well if you throw the Nox Gas on top of Bangalore's smoke because it makes it harder for the enemy to see which way they have to go to escape it. I've done that a few times with some friends, set traps inside of smoke or had them throw smoke on my traps.The traps can also block doors. If you set a trap infront of door the enemy won't be able to open it enough to come through, it's good when you and your team are trucking it through buildings to escape, you can block the enemy path. You can also shoot your own traps to set them off which again is good when you're being persued, throw a trap down, have one of your buds shoot it as you all run through and it'll stop the enemy dead in their tracks.Caustic is a trapper and should be played as a trapper. IF you're running around playing him like a killing machine then you're doing it wrong. He says it himself "I don't care who gets the kill, as long as something dies"If played correctly, Caustic is an assist machine 100%. Trap your enemies, corner them, funnel them in to a small space with your gass and let your squad clean them up because remember, this game is NOT about kills. You get very little personal exp per kill (It's something like 50exp per kill) the meat of your EXP comes from time survived so do just that, play smart and survive.

So many people already avoid his gas even though it doesn't kill you, why not have it be lethal for the occasional idiot who walks into it?

Caustic's gas does seem to be on the weaker side as far as offensive use, so I've been using the traps as more of an early detection system by dropping them as move around the map so I can tell if I'm being tailed by a rival squad.

@ThatFawkzi wrote:I like caustic but he's very situational. He's the kinda character you play with an organised group. His gass is weak as hell but if you look at it like a jumped up version of Bangalore's smoke it's not that bad. Infact it works pretty well if you throw the Nox Gas on top of Bangalore's smoke because it makes it harder for the enemy to see which way they have to go to escape it. I've done that a few times with some friends, set traps inside of smoke or had them throw smoke on my traps.The traps can also block doors. If you set a trap infront of door the enemy won't be able to open it enough to come through, it's good when you and your team are trucking it through buildings to escape, you can block the enemy path. You can also shoot your own traps to set them off which again is good when you're being persued, throw a trap down, have one of your buds shoot it as you all run through and it'll stop the enemy dead in their tracks.Caustic is a trapper and should be played as a trapper. IF you're running around playing him like a killing machine then you're doing it wrong. He says it himself "I don't care who gets the kill, as long as something dies"If played correctly, Caustic is an assist machine 100%. Trap your enemies, corner them, funnel them in to a small space with your gass and let your squad clean them up because remember, this game is NOT about kills. You get very little personal exp per kill (It's something like 50exp per kill) the meat of your EXP comes from time survived so do just that, play smart and survive.Though I agree with this playstyle, I think Apex Legends is too fast paced of a game to play as a trapper, his traps should be smaller to make his traps more viable for actual trapping as any good player would open a door and see the nox trap straight away and leave it alone or run through and try and avoid it.

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odieman1231
7 years ago
I believe it is too early to fully tell however some things I noticed with Caustic.

He seems to excel in the very beginning and the very end (if the end is around buildings). If fights break out in middle of the open, he seems useless.
Idk if it is just me, but he seems to run incredibly slow.

I think his gas damage is too little. I'm not suggesting it be insanely higher, but maybe 1-2 additional damage per tick.

The biggest issue I run into are enemies aren't deterred by the gas at all. I like to land Bunker a lot and often times, enemies will just run through the gas without a care in the world. If I choose to run through the aerial strike, I get punished heavily for it. If people choose to run through the gas, I feel they should increase the blurred vision or actually feel punishment for it.
NeoReaper82
Seasoned Veteran
7 years ago
Caustic = White blind toxic male.
JoeTheSho
7 years ago
Caustic's gas does seem to be on the weaker side as far as offensive use, so I've been using the traps as more of an early detection system by dropping them as move around the map so I can tell if I'm being tailed by a rival squad.
Canicresse
7 years ago
Caustic :
Bad sides
Big hit box, slow, is countered by other caustic, his passive ability is just protecting himself from his own ability, his gaz affects his allies, the traps takes a long time to activate and are not very sneaky, has no protection nor survival ability, he has absolutely no mobility, his ultimate isn't really impactful and like any smocks, you can just see through if you have an aim that highlight your enemies.
good sides
He can counter other caustic, the gaz is a powerful tool if correctly used (damage, slow, blurred vision, enemies highligted, blocking line of sight, the trap itself can be used as a cover, let you know when enemies are nearby), low cooldown on ultimate.
My point of view here is, we shouldn't up the gaz. Because when you look at it, it is already powerful. It is not League of legends, we are not supposed to kill with our ability, or at least with certain ultimates. His does not fulfill this role and therefore has a little cooldown. Fair enough. We just has to use his ability at the right time.
What is bothering me though is one main thing : I get it that this game is first and foremost a FPS battle royale, and thus the abilities should vener get in the way of the personal skill with any given gun. BUT, based on the same logic, this character has some majors flaws in that regard. These are his low mobility and his gigantic hit box.
Take Gibraltar for exemple. His is slow and huge as well, but he can shield himself and an area, wich allows him to compensate fopr that. Caustic has none of those.
The urgent thing to change on him is this point : His gaz affects his allies.
I get it it is cool on an immersion point of view, but this is a team game. You are not supposed to play solo. Even if he was, except for his gaz, he his handicaped on a pure 1v1 fight. Why in the world a character based entirely on spreading gaz is affecting his allies as well? I find it nonsensical.
The second thing is his passive ability. Really? He is not affected by his own abilities and other caustics, and that's it? well... This should be obvious logic, not a passive.
Here are 2 things that I personaly think should be good to consider.
first, remove the effect on allies.
Second, add something to his passiv that can justify the fact that he is just a punching ball. Someyhing like, whan he fall down, he is emiting a small ammount of Nox gaz arround him. Not too much, but just enough to cover him a bit from sight and discourage people to just come in and finish him. This is not much but there you have it.
I don't think touching the gaz in itself is a good Idea. Upping it coulb be bad for the game and I will be affraid that he'll become OP all of a sudden.
Thanks for reading.
odieman1231
7 years ago
Yea, I am sure some big streamer will release a Youtube video explaining the best use of his traps.The traps almost are meme material right now.
odieman1231
7 years ago
@Canicresse wrote:
Caustic :
Bad sides
Big hit box, slow, is countered by other caustic, his passive ability is just protecting himself from his own ability, his gaz affects his allies, the traps takes a long time to activate and are not very sneaky, has no protection nor survival ability, he has absolutely no mobility, his ultimate isn't really impactful and like any smocks, you can just see through if you have an aim that highlight your enemies.
good sides
He can counter other caustic, the gaz is a powerful tool if correctly used (damage, slow, blurred vision, enemies highligted, blocking line of sight, the trap itself can be used as a cover, let you know when enemies are nearby), low cooldown on ultimate.
My point of view here is, we shouldn't up the gaz. Because when you look at it, it is already powerful. It is not League of legends, we are not supposed to kill with our ability, or at least with certain ultimates. His does not fulfill this role and therefore has a little cooldown. Fair enough. We just has to use his ability at the right time.
What is bothering me though is one main thing : I get it that this game is first and foremost a FPS battle royale, and thus the abilities should vener get in the way of the personal skill with any given gun. BUT, based on the same logic, this character has some majors flaws in that regard. These are his low mobility and his gigantic hit box.
Take Gibraltar for exemple. His is slow and huge as well, but he can shield himself and an area, wich allows him to compensate fopr that. Caustic has none of those.
The urgent thing to change on him is this point : His gaz affects his allies.
I get it it is cool on an immersion point of view, but this is a team game. You are not supposed to play solo. Even if he was, except for his gaz, he his handicaped on a pure 1v1 fight. Why in the world a character based entirely on spreading gaz is affecting his allies as well? I find it nonsensical.
The second thing is his passive ability. Really? He is not affected by his own abilities and other caustics, and that's it? well... This should be obvious logic, not a passive.
Here are 2 things that I personaly think should be good to consider.
first, remove the effect on allies.
Second, add something to his passiv that can justify the fact that he is just a punching ball. Someyhing like, whan he fall down, he is emiting a small ammount of Nox gaz arround him. Not too much, but just enough to cover him a bit from sight and discourage people to just come in and finish him. This is not much but there you have it.
I don't think touching the gaz in itself is a good Idea. Upping it coulb be bad for the game and I will be affraid that he'll become OP all of a sudden.
Thanks for reading.
Something I was thinking about.....What if he was allowed more range to toss his traps? I just think the character is purposely meant to hide in a building. Outside of teleporting with Wraith to close the gap, there is very little offensive upside to having him.
ThatFawkzi
New Ace
7 years ago
I like caustic but he's very situational. He's the kinda character you play with an organised group. His gass is weak as hell but if you look at it like a jumped up version of Bangalore's smoke it's not that bad. Infact it works pretty well if you throw the Nox Gas on top of Bangalore's smoke because it makes it harder for the enemy to see which way they have to go to escape it. I've done that a few times with some friends, set traps inside of smoke or had them throw smoke on my traps.
The traps can also block doors. If you set a trap infront of door the enemy won't be able to open it enough to come through, it's good when you and your team are trucking it through buildings to escape, you can block the enemy path. You can also shoot your own traps to set them off which again is good when you're being persued, throw a trap down, have one of your buds shoot it as you all run through and it'll stop the enemy dead in their tracks.
Caustic is a trapper and should be played as a trapper. IF you're running around playing him like a killing machine then you're doing it wrong. He says it himself "I don't care who gets the kill, as long as something dies"
If played correctly, Caustic is an assist machine 100%. Trap your enemies, corner them, funnel them in to a small space with your gass and let your squad clean them up because remember, this game is NOT about kills. You get very little personal exp per kill (It's something like 50exp per kill) the meat of your EXP comes from time survived so do just that, play smart and survive.
Unbriferous
7 years ago
@Canicresse wrote:
Caustic :
Bad sides
Big hit box, slow, is countered by other caustic, his passive ability is just protecting himself from his own ability, his gaz affects his allies, the traps takes a long time to activate and are not very sneaky, has no protection nor survival ability, he has absolutely no mobility, his ultimate isn't really impactful and like any smocks, you can just see through if you have an aim that highlight your enemies.
good sides
He can counter other caustic, the gaz is a powerful tool if correctly used (damage, slow, blurred vision, enemies highligted, blocking line of sight, the trap itself can be used as a cover, let you know when enemies are nearby), low cooldown on ultimate.
My point of view here is, we shouldn't up the gaz. Because when you look at it, it is already powerful. It is not League of legends, we are not supposed to kill with our ability, or at least with certain ultimates. His does not fulfill this role and therefore has a little cooldown. Fair enough. We just has to use his ability at the right time.
What is bothering me though is one main thing : I get it that this game is first and foremost a FPS battle royale, and thus the abilities should vener get in the way of the personal skill with any given gun. BUT, based on the same logic, this character has some majors flaws in that regard. These are his low mobility and his gigantic hit box.
Take Gibraltar for exemple. His is slow and huge as well, but he can shield himself and an area, wich allows him to compensate fopr that. Caustic has none of those.
The urgent thing to change on him is this point : His gaz affects his allies.
I get it it is cool on an immersion point of view, but this is a team game. You are not supposed to play solo. Even if he was, except for his gaz, he his handicaped on a pure 1v1 fight. Why in the world a character based entirely on spreading gaz is affecting his allies as well? I find it nonsensical.
The second thing is his passive ability. Really? He is not affected by his own abilities and other caustics, and that's it? well... This should be obvious logic, not a passive.
Here are 2 things that I personaly think should be good to consider.
first, remove the effect on allies.
Second, add something to his passiv that can justify the fact that he is just a punching ball. Someyhing like, whan he fall down, he is emiting a small ammount of Nox gaz arround him. Not too much, but just enough to cover him a bit from sight and discourage people to just come in and finish him. This is not much but there you have it.
I don't think touching the gaz in itself is a good Idea. Upping it coulb be bad for the game and I will be affraid that he'll become OP all of a sudden.
Thanks for reading.
1. Caustic isn't slow, all characters move at the same speed.
2. Refer to the Nox gas as Nox and not gaz.
3. I agree with your "bad sides" though as most of them are true.
4. I think caustic should be able to breathe in other caustic's Nox.
5. Caustics nox traps model is too big and seeable making trapping someone super uncommon unless you shoot the trap yourself which you can't do until it has gone through its super long opening animation
6. I agree that the effect on allies should be removed to make him more viable.
7. The knockdown thing sounds like a good idea actually.
8. Caustic doesn't have as much hiding or running ability as others, if you get in a fight as caustic you have to try and run which usually ends in your death, when you try use your nox trap, it takes too long as the animation is 2-3 seconds long which is too much time for the enemy to react to, this is why i believe his ability should be grenades so he can nox himself and run or nox the enemy and fight.
If they are going to keep the nox gas trap idea they need to make the trap smaller and they need to make it work as soon as it lands.
Unbriferous
7 years ago
@odieman1231 wrote:
@Canicresse wrote:
Caustic :
Bad sides
Big hit box, slow, is countered by other caustic, his passive ability is just protecting himself from his own ability, his gaz affects his allies, the traps takes a long time to activate and are not very sneaky, has no protection nor survival ability, he has absolutely no mobility, his ultimate isn't really impactful and like any smocks, you can just see through if you have an aim that highlight your enemies.
good sides
He can counter other caustic, the gaz is a powerful tool if correctly used (damage, slow, blurred vision, enemies highligted, blocking line of sight, the trap itself can be used as a cover, let you know when enemies are nearby), low cooldown on ultimate.
My point of view here is, we shouldn't up the gaz. Because when you look at it, it is already powerful. It is not League of legends, we are not supposed to kill with our ability, or at least with certain ultimates. His does not fulfill this role and therefore has a little cooldown. Fair enough. We just has to use his ability at the right time.
What is bothering me though is one main thing : I get it that this game is first and foremost a FPS battle royale, and thus the abilities should vener get in the way of the personal skill with any given gun. BUT, based on the same logic, this character has some majors flaws in that regard. These are his low mobility and his gigantic hit box.
Take Gibraltar for exemple. His is slow and huge as well, but he can shield himself and an area, wich allows him to compensate fopr that. Caustic has none of those.
The urgent thing to change on him is this point : His gaz affects his allies.
I get it it is cool on an immersion point of view, but this is a team game. You are not supposed to play solo. Even if he was, except for his gaz, he his handicaped on a pure 1v1 fight. Why in the world a character based entirely on spreading gaz is affecting his allies as well? I find it nonsensical.
The second thing is his passive ability. Really? He is not affected by his own abilities and other caustics, and that's it? well... This should be obvious logic, not a passive.
Here are 2 things that I personaly think should be good to consider.
first, remove the effect on allies.
Second, add something to his passiv that can justify the fact that he is just a punching ball. Someyhing like, whan he fall down, he is emiting a small ammount of Nox gaz arround him. Not too much, but just enough to cover him a bit from sight and discourage people to just come in and finish him. This is not much but there you have it.
I don't think touching the gaz in itself is a good Idea. Upping it coulb be bad for the game and I will be affraid that he'll become OP all of a sudden.
Thanks for reading.
Something I was thinking about.....What if he was allowed more range to toss his traps? I just think the character is purposely meant to hide in a building. Outside of teleporting with Wraith to close the gap, there is very little offensive upside to having him.
This is why i think they should make the model smaller and make it activate faster, making it smaller means he can throw it further and the fast activation, if you play him, you would understand.
ronson122
7 years ago
@Canicresse wrote:
Caustic :
Bad sides
Big hit box, slow, is countered by other caustic, his passive ability is just protecting himself from his own ability, his gaz affects his allies, the traps takes a long time to activate and are not very sneaky, has no protection nor survival ability, he has absolutely no mobility, his ultimate isn't really impactful and like any smocks, you can just see through if you have an aim that highlight your enemies.
good sides
He can counter other caustic, the gaz is a powerful tool if correctly used (damage, slow, blurred vision, enemies highligted, blocking line of sight, the trap itself can be used as a cover, let you know when enemies are nearby), low cooldown on ultimate.
My point of view here is, we shouldn't up the gaz. Because when you look at it, it is already powerful. It is not League of legends, we are not supposed to kill with our ability, or at least with certain ultimates. His does not fulfill this role and therefore has a little cooldown. Fair enough. We just has to use his ability at the right time.
What is bothering me though is one main thing : I get it that this game is first and foremost a FPS battle royale, and thus the abilities should vener get in the way of the personal skill with any given gun. BUT, based on the same logic, this character has some majors flaws in that regard. These are his low mobility and his gigantic hit box.
Take Gibraltar for exemple. His is slow and huge as well, but he can shield himself and an area, wich allows him to compensate fopr that. Caustic has none of those.
The urgent thing to change on him is this point : His gaz affects his allies.
I get it it is cool on an immersion point of view, but this is a team game. You are not supposed to play solo. Even if he was, except for his gaz, he his handicaped on a pure 1v1 fight. Why in the world a character based entirely on spreading gaz is affecting his allies as well? I find it nonsensical.
The second thing is his passive ability. Really? He is not affected by his own abilities and other caustics, and that's it? well... This should be obvious logic, not a passive.
Here are 2 things that I personaly think should be good to consider.
first, remove the effect on allies.
Second, add something to his passiv that can justify the fact that he is just a punching ball. Someyhing like, whan he fall down, he is emiting a small ammount of Nox gaz arround him. Not too much, but just enough to cover him a bit from sight and discourage people to just come in and finish him. This is not much but there you have it.
I don't think touching the gaz in itself is a good Idea. Upping it coulb be bad for the game and I will be affraid that he'll become OP all of a sudden.
Thanks for reading.
ALL characters have the same movement speed,just slower arm movement animations.so no,caustic and gibraltar do not move slower.they have bigger hitboxes yes but thats it