I have played significant amounts of Apex on both PC and Playstation. I've noticed that the game is significantly more difficult on PC than it is on Playstation, especially recently. I am consistently matched up with people who are far more skilled than I, my win rate is far lower, and my K/D R is significantly lower as well.I am curious to know why this is the case, since Apex Legends has skill-based matchmaking. I assume the matchmaking algorithms are the same for console and PC. As a result, it should not matter which system I play on; I should be getting matched up with players of a similar skill level. This is also, theoretically, why console players should not worry about playing against PC players; matchmaking should keep similarly skilled players in the same lobbies, regardless of system.Player counts are obviously healthy in both hardware environments, so this couldn't really be a case of a restricted matchmaking pool. Perhaps matchmaking is based on your account, but not the system used to play? When I switch from Playstation (where I play the most) to PC, perhaps the matchmaking system thinks I am better at the game, relative to the given player pool?Anyway, not trying to complain. I get matched up with significantly better players on PC and I am genuinely curious to know why.Thanks!

@Phantomlover1717 Okay, thanks!

@Hypodactylus I know I am about to start the classic controversy,and that this thread will become a literal battlefield soon hitting 50 comments in less than a week if it gets attention,one thing that probably makes console easier is aim assist, here I said it, come fight me,anyways another thing is that, since PC is more competetive and console more casual,it's no surprise,casual PC players rarely can exist in Apex, the reason is, to play Apex on PC you need a PC that can run 3 Cyberpunk games simultaneouslynot every casual player has a beefy PC you see,which is why on console you can get easier games, because consoles are for both casual and pros,however pro players want a good pc that can go beyond 60fps, hence why on pc there's more sweatyness aspect,than on console.

@Hypodactylus another thing to think of is that people are inconsistant,in result you can see proof right here,with peopel building inconsistant "skill based matchmaking",just because something is called fair skill based matchmaking doesn't mean it's true,the matchmaking doesn't know that that level 1 Lifeline newcommer is actually another account created by a Perdator player that already player like 3000h into this game,maybe after 10 games, maybe.You can have days where you only get trash players in your team and everyone else is slightly better despite you performing well,you can have days where you get only good players and seem to question why do you play against potato players,usually it should be both,but sometimes matchmaking is like, "oh you've won a game that means you're probably a warlord that plays this game for living like a streamer, here is a lobby with literally everyone being way better than you, also your team is gonna be bad, since you're good you should be able to carry them"things like that.

@damsonwhufndthis HAHA, that last paragraph pretty much sums up how i think SBMM works 🙂

I personally find console to be quite an even playing field, it's very pick up and play almost anyone can pull off something special one time or another.PC I find the opposition to be either really good or really bad with no middle ground, there's the people who know how to use m&k and those who can't quite grasp it, if you can can m&k decent you are probably better than about 80% of console players.Obviously no statistics or anything involved with those calculation just my opinion.

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16 Replies

Phantomlover1717
Legend
4 years ago
Hey @Hypodactylus,

I've moved your post to a more relevant board than EA General Questions.
Hypodactylus
4 years ago
@Phantomlover1717 Okay, thanks!
damsonwhufndthis
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Hypodactylus
I know I am about to start the classic controversy,
and that this thread will become a literal battlefield soon hitting 50 comments in less than a week if it gets attention,
one thing that probably makes console easier is aim assist, here I said it, come fight me,
anyways another thing is that, since PC is more competetive and console more casual,
it's no surprise,
casual PC players rarely can exist in Apex, the reason is, to play Apex on PC you need a PC that can run 3 Cyberpunk games simultaneously
not every casual player has a beefy PC you see,
which is why on console you can get easier games, because consoles are for both casual and pros,
however pro players want a good pc that can go beyond 60fps, hence why on pc there's more sweatyness aspect,
than on console.
RevMainPls
4 years ago
@Hypodactylusavg skill lvl is just higher on pc thats why
Console is casual
Hypodactylus
4 years ago
@damsonwhufndthis and @RevMainPls
Thank you for your responses!

I understand what you are saying and I won't profess to know how Apex Legend's matchmaking works; however, I think a skills-based matchmaking will neutralize most of the points you raised, as long as the player pool is large enough.

If your computer is better than my computer, and you are better at Apex as a result, your MMR (matchmaking rank) will be higher than mine. If your MMR is significantly higher than mine, you should consistently be placed in more skilled lobbies than me. The same reasoning is why people shouldn't worry about controller users in a PC lobby (or combined console and pc cross-play for that matter); if they are better than you, they won't be in your lobby. If they are worse than you, they also won't be in your lobby.

However, if all PC players are better overall and the user pool is relatively small, I could definitely see that having an affect; I just don't see that being the case at this point in the Apex Legends lifecycle.
RevMainPls
4 years ago
@Hypodactylus but mostlikely the worst pc players will also be better than the worst console players making the lowest mmr having a higher skilllvl
Hypodactylus
4 years ago
Yeah, that would make sense.
hayhor
Hero
4 years ago
@Hypodactylus It is because mnk has a higher skill ceiling. I expect you are noticing much better movement and mid to long range shooting on PC.
dougieee
New Veteran
4 years ago
@Hypodactylus The casual player base are all on consoles, very few kids can afford PC`s these days and to be honest ive known quite a few long time PC players switch to console, you can pick up a PS5 for £500 odd, that wont even buy you HALF a decent GPU these days and thats IF you can find one.
SBMM has been a bone of contention on PC since release, just look back over the forum posts, no one has a handle on how it actually works and a lot of people suspect it just doesnt.
My own theory is that SBMM just cannot account for the glaring difference between pre made and random squads, the obvious adantages of pre mades speak for themselves, a premade at mid skill level will wipe the floor with a player of the same level who is struggling to even keep his squad together, then you believe youve been beamed by pros, the truth is they are just working together and communicating.
Aim assist DOES make a massive difference, i wont argue the point, i know im right, i was around when microsoft initially trialed cross play and failed becuase of the gulf of difference between controller and mnk, its WHY iam assist was implemented.
And honestly, if you switch between the two you will never improve the skill on either, they are just TOO different
JDKhaos
4 years ago
@HypodactylusI'm on ps4 with a less than 1 kda, I'm getting thrown in lobbies with preds with 50k+ kills constantly. It's not exclusively a pc issue I think their sbmm is just terrible and has a hard time figuring out where to put people sometimes since it's based on recent performance.. although, I've never played at a level that should allow me to be thrown in with preds. Just got killed by a pathfinder with 189,000 kills two games ago, I've played since s0 and don't even have 5k kills or a 3k game on my main 😆