PC vs Console
I have played significant amounts of Apex on both PC and Playstation. I've noticed that the game is significantly more difficult on PC than it is on Playstation, especially recently. I am consisten...
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I know I am about to start the classic controversy,
and that this thread will become a literal battlefield soon hitting 50 comments in less than a week if it gets attention,
one thing that probably makes console easier is aim assist, here I said it, come fight me,
anyways another thing is that, since PC is more competetive and console more casual,
it's no surprise,
casual PC players rarely can exist in Apex, the reason is, to play Apex on PC you need a PC that can run 3 Cyberpunk games simultaneously
not every casual player has a beefy PC you see,
which is why on console you can get easier games, because consoles are for both casual and pros,
however pro players want a good pc that can go beyond 60fps, hence why on pc there's more sweatyness aspect,
than on console.
@damsonwhufndthis and @RevMainPls
Thank you for your responses!
I understand what you are saying and I won't profess to know how Apex Legend's matchmaking works; however, I think a skills-based matchmaking will neutralize most of the points you raised, as long as the player pool is large enough.
If your computer is better than my computer, and you are better at Apex as a result, your MMR (matchmaking rank) will be higher than mine. If your MMR is significantly higher than mine, you should consistently be placed in more skilled lobbies than me. The same reasoning is why people shouldn't worry about controller users in a PC lobby (or combined console and pc cross-play for that matter); if they are better than you, they won't be in your lobby. If they are worse than you, they also won't be in your lobby.
However, if all PC players are better overall and the user pool is relatively small, I could definitely see that having an affect; I just don't see that being the case at this point in the Apex Legends lifecycle.
- @Hypodactylus but mostlikely the worst pc players will also be better than the worst console players making the lowest mmr having a higher skilllvl
Yeah, that would make sense.
- @Hypodactylus The casual player base are all on consoles, very few kids can afford PC`s these days and to be honest ive known quite a few long time PC players switch to console, you can pick up a PS5 for £500 odd, that wont even buy you HALF a decent GPU these days and thats IF you can find one.
SBMM has been a bone of contention on PC since release, just look back over the forum posts, no one has a handle on how it actually works and a lot of people suspect it just doesnt.
My own theory is that SBMM just cannot account for the glaring difference between pre made and random squads, the obvious adantages of pre mades speak for themselves, a premade at mid skill level will wipe the floor with a player of the same level who is struggling to even keep his squad together, then you believe youve been beamed by pros, the truth is they are just working together and communicating.
Aim assist DOES make a massive difference, i wont argue the point, i know im right, i was around when microsoft initially trialed cross play and failed becuase of the gulf of difference between controller and mnk, its WHY iam assist was implemented.
And honestly, if you switch between the two you will never improve the skill on either, they are just TOO differentAlso,
what @dougieee mentioned, the price
Xbox Series S costs: 342$ USD
And Google says that it runs Apex on 120 fps,
Cheapest Notebook that can run Apex on stable 60 fps and probably more is 777$ USD
Cheapest prebuilt PC has similar price, except you need on top of that a monitor, MnK and probably speakers or headphones
So you can see why it is more likely for a casual player to be on console, it's literally cheaper,
Everyone has a TV and if not, cheap TVs are like under 200$
still about 200$ cheaper than gaming on a cheapest gaming Laptop.
Thank you all for the responses!
I know there is a lot of discussion on here about the advantages of different hardware, aim assist, mouse/keyboard, framerates, etc; however, all of these advantages have a direct effect on skill (or perceived skill) and would affect your matchmaking rank (MMR). If you have any of these advantages, your MMR would place you in a more skilled lobby in a game with an SBMM implementation (theoretically). I don't know how Apex Legend's SBMM works (or doesn't work), but any skill advantage you gain from hardware would place you in a player pool with advantages (or skill) that align with your MMR.
For simplicity, let's assume that Apex Legends has has three tier groups for MMR pairings; low skill, medium skill, and high skill. For the sake of my inquiry, the medium skill tier seems to be drastically more skilled on PC than it is on Console. A number of responses have centered on hardware, input devices, aim assist, and other 'skill' advantages. I do not think that any of those account for the difference between PC and Console lobbies; SBMM would account for the skill increase based on your MMR and put you in a higher skill group. I think the responses that refer to the higher overall skill of PC players is what may be making the difference. Since PC players are isolated from cross-play, there is a smaller player base. Since the player base is apparently more skilled overall, that would mean that each of the assumed tier groups would be more competitive on PC. I think this is the more likely answer.
On a side note, I think SBMM is largely misunderstood by most of the Apex Legends player base (or gamers in general). Apex Legends does seem to have some matchmaking problems, as others have mentioned in this discussion. It is not uncommon for a level 500 (or level anything) player with a sub 1.0 lifetime KDR to be paired against a 50,000 kill high KDR player; which ideally wouldn't happen (but it does). I think this is due to Apex's stated preference of quick matchmaking over perfect matchmaking. Matchmaking seems to be much more accurate in Arenas.
My question was more centered on my long term experience comparing PC to Console. I have extensive experience on both and simply noticed a vast difference in the skill of my opponents (not my skill) between the two platforms, which should be managed by SBMM. The best answer I gave seen revolves around the generally higher skill level of PC players, but I feel like there should still be more mid-level players on PC than there seem to be.
I am by no means good at Apex. I feel like I am a mid-range player on Console (low range on PC, apparently). I believe my lifetime Playstation KDR is around 1.3, with my lifetime PC KDR around 0.9. However, I believe my recent PC KDR is lower. I believe my win rate on PC is drastically lower than on Console.
Also, I have played extensively as a solo player and in a pre-made squad. There must be some logic in the Apex SBMM that accounts for this; I feel like the opponents are more difficult when you are part of a pre-made squad than when you are solo (as it should be). I wanted to counteract the myth that solos are always matched against pre-made squads.Anyway, those are my thoughts and experiences. Thanks for participating!
another thing to think of is that people are inconsistant,
in result you can see proof right here,
with peopel building inconsistant "skill based matchmaking",
just because something is called fair skill based matchmaking doesn't mean it's true,
the matchmaking doesn't know that that level 1 Lifeline newcommer is actually another account created by a Perdator player that already player like 3000h into this game,
maybe after 10 games, maybe.
You can have days where you only get trash players in your team and everyone else is slightly better despite you performing well,
you can have days where you get only good players and seem to question why do you play against potato players,
usually it should be both,
but sometimes matchmaking is like, "oh you've won a game that means you're probably a warlord that plays this game for living like a streamer, here is a lobby with literally everyone being way better than you, also your team is gonna be bad, since you're good you should be able to carry them"
things like that.
- @damsonwhufndthis HAHA, that last paragraph pretty much sums up how i think SBMM works 🙂
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