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Hypodactylus's avatar
4 years ago

PC vs Console

I have played significant amounts of Apex on both PC and Playstation. I've noticed that the game is significantly more difficult on PC than it is on Playstation, especially recently. I am consistently matched up with people who are far more skilled than I, my win rate is far lower, and my K/D R is significantly lower as well.

I am curious to know why this is the case, since Apex Legends has skill-based matchmaking. I assume the matchmaking algorithms are the same for console and PC. As a result, it should not matter which system I play on; I should be getting matched up with players of a similar skill level. This is also, theoretically, why console players should not worry about playing against PC players; matchmaking should keep similarly skilled players in the same lobbies, regardless of system.

Player counts are obviously healthy in both hardware environments, so this couldn't really be a case of a restricted matchmaking pool. Perhaps matchmaking is based on your account, but not the system used to play? When I switch from Playstation (where I play the most) to PC, perhaps the matchmaking system thinks I am better at the game, relative to the given player pool?

Anyway, not trying to complain. I get matched up with significantly better players on PC and I am genuinely curious to know why.

Thanks!

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  • @Hypodactylus 

    another thing to think of is that people are inconsistant,

    in result you can see proof right here,

    with peopel building inconsistant "skill based matchmaking",

    just because something is called fair skill based matchmaking doesn't mean it's true,

    the matchmaking doesn't know that that level 1 Lifeline newcommer is actually another account created by a Perdator player that already player like 3000h into this game,

    maybe after 10 games, maybe.

    You can have days where you only get trash players in your team and everyone else is slightly better despite you performing well,

    you can have days where you get only good players and seem to question why do you play against potato players,

    usually it should be both,

    but sometimes matchmaking is like, "oh you've won a game that means you're probably a warlord that plays this game for living like a streamer, here is a lobby with literally everyone being way better than you, also your team is gonna be bad, since you're good you should be able to carry them"

    things like that.

  • @Hypodactylus 

    Also,

    what @dougieee mentioned, the price

    Xbox Series S costs: 342$ USD

    And Google says that it runs Apex on 120 fps,

    Cheapest Notebook that can run Apex on stable 60 fps and probably more is 777$ USD

    Cheapest prebuilt PC has similar price, except you need on top of that a monitor, MnK and probably speakers or headphones

    So you can see why it is more likely for a casual player to be on console, it's literally cheaper,

    Everyone has a TV and if not, cheap TVs are like under 200$

    still about 200$ cheaper than gaming on a cheapest gaming Laptop.

  • Hypodactylus's avatar
    Hypodactylus
    4 years ago

    Thank you all for the responses!

    I know there is a lot of discussion on here about the advantages of different hardware, aim assist, mouse/keyboard, framerates, etc; however, all of these advantages have a direct effect on skill (or perceived skill) and would affect your matchmaking rank (MMR). If you have any of these advantages, your MMR would place you in a more skilled lobby in a game with an SBMM implementation (theoretically).  I don't know how Apex Legend's SBMM works (or doesn't work), but any skill advantage you gain from hardware would place you in a player pool with advantages (or skill) that align with your MMR.

    For simplicity, let's assume that Apex Legends has has three tier groups for MMR pairings; low skill, medium skill, and high skill.  For the sake of my inquiry, the medium skill tier seems to be drastically more skilled on PC than it is on Console.  A number of responses have centered on hardware, input devices, aim assist, and other 'skill' advantages.  I do not think that any of those account for the difference between PC and Console lobbies; SBMM would account for the skill increase based on your MMR and put you in a higher skill group.  I think the responses that refer to the higher overall skill of PC players is what may be making the difference.  Since PC players are isolated from cross-play, there is a smaller player base.  Since the player base is apparently more skilled overall, that would mean that each of the assumed tier groups would be more competitive on PC. I think this is the more likely answer.

    On a side note, I think SBMM is largely misunderstood by most of the Apex Legends player base (or gamers in general).  Apex Legends does seem to have some matchmaking problems, as others have mentioned in this discussion. It is not uncommon for a level 500 (or level anything) player with a sub 1.0 lifetime KDR to be paired against a 50,000 kill high KDR player; which ideally wouldn't happen (but it does).  I think this is due to Apex's stated preference of quick matchmaking over perfect matchmaking. Matchmaking seems to be much more accurate in Arenas.

    My question was more centered on my long term experience comparing PC to Console.  I have extensive experience on both and simply noticed a vast difference in the skill of my opponents (not my skill) between the two platforms, which should be managed by SBMM.  The best answer I gave seen revolves around the generally higher skill level of PC players, but I feel like there should still be more mid-level players on PC than there seem to be.

    I am by no means good at Apex.  I feel like I am a mid-range player on Console (low range on PC, apparently). I believe my lifetime Playstation KDR is around 1.3, with my lifetime PC KDR around 0.9.  However, I believe my recent PC KDR is lower. I believe my win rate on PC is drastically lower than on Console.

    Also, I have played extensively as a solo player and in a pre-made squad.  There must be some logic in the Apex SBMM that accounts for this; I feel like the opponents are more difficult when you are part of a pre-made squad than when you are solo (as it should be).  I wanted to counteract the myth that solos are always matched against pre-made squads.

    Anyway, those are my thoughts and experiences. Thanks for participating!

  • @Hypodactylusthe reason why PC lobby is harder than console lobby is because console players have limited actions I heared,

    they can't do certain actions PC players can,

    mouse is a device that can give you a precise flick without guessing unlike on console where it's just hold in a direction to drift your aim,

    muscle memory than kicks in and suddenly you find yourself flicking to people as soon as you spot them,

    the flick can be faster than the average blink of an eye,

    also since you have more fine detailed aim on PC, the spray control is possible there and it's probably easier and more fine tuned,

    another thing instead of shifting your fingers around on a controller you usually have set of fingers on keyboard that just stay there,

    for example your thumb will always be used as a spacebar key and your middle finger is usually always on W,

    not to mention that your hand semi rests on keyboard instead,

    as for matchmaking, you're asking for way too much, not everyone has 10 000 games per season, not everyone is level 500,

    not everyone is always a noob they can get lucky, they can have a moment where they feel themself into the game and pop off,

    it's a lotta things to think of, lot of variables to consider.

  • I personally find console to be quite an even playing field, it's very pick up and play almost anyone can pull off something special one time or another.

    PC I find the opposition to be either really good or really bad with no middle ground, there's the people who know how to use m&k and those who can't quite grasp it, if you can can m&k decent you are probably better than about 80% of console players.

    Obviously no statistics or anything involved with those calculation just my opinion.

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