Perfect Teammate Match & Finding System
I have 1500+ hours of game time. I usually go up to the Diamond level. But now I stopped playing. Because now whenever I want to play, my teammates given to me by the system are low level. While my t...
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yes their are a lot of problems as you noted in your last post. But we can not mix some of the issues up with each other especially when we are talking about Diamond level players.
Playing ranked:
1. If you are playing ranked Smurf accounts should be no problem as they probably have not ranked up to diamond to be a problem yet.
2. Boosted accounts via hacks, until they can get rid of all hackers (will not happen) we will have to learn to deal with it and report when seen.
3. Boosted via other people playing accounts well that is just sad. I do not see a fix for that so again we just have to deal with it.
4. Diamonds being fed to Masters and Preds. I really do not think this is happening. There are only 750 Preds out there globally. They have to play with someone. As I said before Diamond and up make up about 2.5% of the player base (I have seen mentioned in this thread 5%) that is not a lot of players as has been discussed.
5. Finding other players of like caliber to play with will be hard, but if you look at the top tier players Diamond and up most of them have set people they play with and I really do not see a disadvantage at high rank with 3 stacking as this would you on par with other 3 stacks instead of being disadvantaged with playing with Randoms.
Playing Pubs:
1. Smurfs become a problem for high ranked players and low ranked players alike.
2. Hackers I said it above. Same thing.
3. Boosted via other people playing accounts remains sad and probably unfixable.
4. Solo Diamonds and above become the sharks here as they will be making up roughly 10-15% of the Lobby.
5. Paying solo in pubs will probably get you saddled with lower level players for team/ lobby balance. So finding other players to play with at your rank/skill will eliminate the randomness of your teammates, and increase the level of your enemies to a certain degree. Again we still are looking at a low percentage of players at that rank or higher and that will impact the Lobby. Three stacking in Pubs at that level of skill with "friends" sets you up to shred the lobby. Those 20 bombs and 4K damage badges do not happen in Diamond level lobbies much no do they.
In general playing with "friends" three stacked is a better experience. Players at the highest levels get there by doing this and stay there by doing this.
If you do not have friends that can play at this level with you it can be frustrating. Keep your head up and keep an eye out for the random that seems like a good player and invite to squad up with you. If it dose not work out then so be it if it does add to that friend list and so how long it lasts. I have a couple of players like that since season 4 on my list to play with when they are there for when my 2 best friend cant make it or I am tired of solo queuing.
There is no perfect Teammate Match & Finding System except for the one you create for yourself. Finding those other players will take some time but is worth it when you find them.
By the way thank you for starting this thread it has been very refreshing.
@Asmodeus566 will skip commenting on pubs - don't play them and don't care what is happing there as pubs or alike mode games always have been total chaos/trash games where people just go to waste their time most of the time.
As for ranked comments.
1. If you are playing ranked Smurf accounts should be no problem as they probably have not ranked up to diamond to be a problem yet. - Smurfs are problem for first of all lower ranked players as the basis of the smurffers is to get easier matchups = Master level player playing against Platinum is like walk in the park that pisses off all other people in that park. And to be honest it is somewhat frustrating to see a player level 50 deleting me in Diamond lobbies while being also Diamond 4...go figure if he is hacking, smurfing or both or just super skilled and transferred from another game.
2. Boosted accounts via hacks, until they can get rid of all hackers (will not happen) we will have to learn to deal with it and report when seen. - If you believe that Respwan reporting system works I guess you can also state that Easter bunny and Santa Claus are real :D Solution here would be to remove rank protection as many hackers who are not only braindead but also lazy hack to a certain point Diamond/Master and stop using hacks as they got the badge and the trail so why risk getting banned = they remain in D4 or 10k Master till the end of the split/season. Removing rank protection would force them to either keep using hacks and increasing chance of being caught (if the system actually works) or just stop playing that in turn would remove part of hackers from lobbies = win/win for the community that are legit.
3. Boosted via other people playing accounts well that is just sad. I do not see a fix for that so again we just have to deal with it. Same as above.
4. Diamonds being fed to Masters and Preds. I really do not think this is happening. There are only 750 Preds out there globally. They have to play with someone. As I said before Diamond and up make up about 2.5% of the player base (I have seen mentioned in this thread 5%) that is not a lot of players as has been discussed. I don't see how 750 people or even a couple thousand could/should dictate rules for millions aka sounds like "u" problem 🙂 Let them wait and suffer as being Pred shouldn't be easy 🙂 Now it seems more like the system is tailored "top down" aka rich get richer aka people on the bottom suffer the most.
5. Finding other players of like caliber to play with will be hard, but if you look at the top tier players Diamond and up most of them have set people they play with and I really do not see a disadvantage at high rank with 3 stacking as this would you on par with other 3 stacks instead of being disadvantaged with playing with Randoms. That's my point - I agree that 3 stack is a huge boost in ranks, especially Diamond level and higher, yet it goes against the logic of skill-based BR game and ideal SBMM t.i. "getting a set team" should not be a decisive factor in the game.
In case of Apex I would almost want the game to treat set parties as "+ X ranks/levels" teams e.g. a set diamond 4 party should play only vs set diamond 4 parties or diamond 2 and higher random party players going as far as set predator party should be only in a lobby where all squads are set predators or at worst set master squads only.
great reply I hear you and understand you.
1. If you are playing ranked Smurf accounts should be no problem as they probably have not ranked up to diamond to be a problem yet. - Smurfs are problem for first of all lower ranked players as the basis of the smurffers is to get easier matchups = Master level player playing against Platinum is like walk in the park that pisses off all other people in that park. And to be honest it is somewhat frustrating to see a player level 50 deleting me in Diamond lobbies while being also Diamond 4...go figure if he is hacking, smurfing or both or just super skilled and transferred from another game. Well they made it to Diamond so they will be those lobbies, they needed to get out of the lower lobby anyways. I agree Smurfs need to be gotten rid of. A friend of mine's son is level 80 or so (comes from Fortnight) not smurfing and eats Diamond players for Breakfast he's got skills and yes it might be frustrating but he should not be punished.
2. and 3. I am a believer that it works. However I also believe that it needs to be substantially upgraded and staffed more so that more cheaters and hackers get removed.
4. Diamonds being fed to Masters and Preds. I really do not think this is happening. There are only 750 Preds out there globally. They have to play with someone. As I said before Diamond and up make up about 2.5% of the player base (I have seen mentioned in this thread 5%) that is not a lot of players as has been discussed. I don't see how 750 people or even a couple thousand could/should dictate rules for millions aka sounds like "u" problem 🙂 Let them wait and suffer as being Pred shouldn't be easy 🙂 Now it seems more like the system is tailored "top down" aka rich get richer aka people on the bottom suffer the most. Diamonds are not at the bottom. I am a gold/Plat player and am not suffering. The system is not tailored top down but rather team based and rank based.
5. Finding other players of like caliber to play with will be hard, but if you look at the top tier players Diamond and up most of them have set people they play with and I really do not see a disadvantage at high rank with 3 stacking as this would you on par with other 3 stacks instead of being disadvantaged with playing with Randoms. That's my point - I agree that 3 stack is a huge boost in ranks, especially Diamond level and higher, yet it goes against the logic of skill-based BR game and ideal SBMM t.i. "getting a set team" should not be a decisive factor in the game.
In case of Apex I would almost want the game to treat set parties as "+ X ranks/levels" teams e.g. a set diamond 4 party should play only vs set diamond 4 parties or diamond 2 and higher random party players going as far as set predator party should be only in a lobby where all squads are set predators or at worst set master squads only. I agree do not agree with you here as this is created as a team based game, so it would behove one to team up. However the matchmaking should by all means when possible pit gold players vs players one level above or below how else are we to strive to do better, you do not train for a marathon by never running more then 5 miles? Furthermore breaking down the Ranks for MM by Diamond 1-4 etc would further dilute the amount of available players for any given lobby match further increasing MM times. I really do not care about wait times at the level since I will never make Diamond or above but I am sure a lot of those players will not stand for it. Also Preds are in the Master tier and should not be broken down for MM any further.One thing I really do agree with you is that demotion protection needs to be done away with. I also think that the ranked split should not be 1 and a half tiers demotion, former masters in Plat 2 lobbies after the split just sounds horrible. Make the demotion down to the bottom of the Rank below you and that would suffice.
If you want to compete with the big boys you will have to play like them as well, they do not play with randoms whenever possible as that is not so good, they play with people they know. Go out there and find you that set team. I would offer to play with you but I am way below your skill level and even though I am a team player I do not think we would profit or enjoy that experience.
@Asmodeus566/ @Cheese9Man - to be honest, I don't see a difference whether Diamond players were allowed in Pred/Master lobbies or vice versa, the point most people in forums complain and seem to agree is that there should NOT be situations where a d4 solo queue player gets match vs current Predator or even Master level players with a set squad.
There is (or should be based on theoretical math) enough players to ensure "middle ground" = d4 solo goes against say D3-1 maaaybe low 10k RP Master squads at most.
@Asmodeus566regarding point 4 - you probably misunderstood me. My point was that at the current state if we compare how easy/hard it is to get out of D4 vs play as current predator/master my experience shows that D4 is suffering while Pred/Masters laugh when they get into Diamond dominated lobbies because it is too easy/free kills for them.
Using your analogy a person who has not run more than 5 km gets into a marathon vs runners who have done multiple competitions in marathon. Again getting back to my point that there should be a middle ground in this analogy case a 5km runner should first get into competition vs players who also don't know if they even physically can run 42km, not the ones who already aim to run it under X time.
Thus the system is tailored TOP DOWN not BOTTOM UP.
The same happens when gold/plat players see diamonds in their lobbies etc etc. I just recently had a game where I as Diamond 4 somehow ended up in Platinum lobbies and "thanks to my ex-master teammate" who just kept pushing everything (and yet somehow dying :D) got my fastest 6+2 in ranked (it felt exactly like a public game, not bragging) and top 4 only to realize that I have killed mostly Platinum players...it's just that big of a difference.
Finally, as I said before wait time for Diamond lobbies IS NOT a problem. I am getting into servers within 1-2 min, for me now the longest time comes from looking up squadmates in Discord servers to avoid playing with complete randoms who do not use mics, etc. (that is just an impossibly painful experience in Diamond lobbies where you can't even rat to positive RP most of the time). So yeah I as a Diamond 4 would rather wait for 2-10 min to get into Diamond lobbies vs being pushed into Master/Pred for whatever reason - me not having similarly skilled players or them not having enough masters/preds at the moment.Great argumentation, great conversation. Way to stick to your guns.
I really hope a CM highlighted this thread for the DEVs to look at as there is a lot of great thoughts here and maybe they might be able to adjust MM that would work better for all especially the plight of Diamond ranked players.
There probably will not be any perfect solutions but we can always hope for the best and some improvements can be made. Being engaged and suggesting improvements we think will be good for the game is why we are here. Especially when it is done in such an honest and constructive manner.
Again thanks for getting the conversation started.
