R99 needs a nerf

The problem is not R99 being too good, it's that they made the contenders to R99 into non existing - Devotion-PK and the overnerf on R-301 + removing disruptor rounds (alternator).

They basically limited the meta to only R99 in close / medium range.The game is becoming more and more boring, Pathfinder/Wraith feels like crap now - weapon limitations.

Two good things was bringing back skull skullpiercer and the addition to revenant that had original design to him.

They need to make things more fun, why not allow Mirage to swap places with his clone (this could make for some exiting and fun gameplay). Why make Pathfinder into this boring legend - you dont even use grapple anymore out of combat. Why not allow Caustic to close and entrap loot boxes (and they actually nerfed him jesus). They can make other legends more desirable with out nerfing the ones that are fun (that is just lazy design).

@NitromethaneAPHow can you say it has no contenders?

Lets do some comparison:

R99:
Has a body dps of 198
with a dmg of 11 dmg per bullet and a mag up to 27 bullets
Resulting into that you at best can maximum 1clip one person and that is something that even Aceu rarely gets done... The full dmg a clip can throw out is 297 (on body ofc no shots missed)

Flatline:
Has a Bodydps of 190
with a dmg of 19 each bullet and a mag up to 30 bullets
Resulting into you beeing able to easy fight off 2 people with 1 clip
The full dmg a clip can throw out is 570 (on body ofc no shots missed)

Both of theese weapons need 0.50secs for a nonarmortarget to kill and 1sec to kill a purple shield target...

We completely ignore now the fact that flatline outperforms the r99 massivly on range. I could bring up the same with r301 and its pretty similar to thoose two sitting at 189 dps or prowler with 195 dps


That beeing said you still have the eva and mastiff that both can easily compete and in situations outperform all thoose guns...

I think r99 has more play cuz it is easier to use than a flatline(recoil macro 😉 )Its hard to setup a macro for flatline due to its randomness in left and right spray,besides that it outperforms r99 in every aspect besides having 8 less dps

One more reason why people skip on flatline i think is cuz its a heavy gun and people would like to get their attachments for wingman asap

I remember in one of aceu´s streams he got asked whats better he said that they are equal but he is used to r99 and thats it.

Shroud called the flatline the best nondrop gun in the game aswell...

But since many of the high tier streamers are playing r99, you see everyone copy paste the use of it.People are lazy and just copy what others do istead of going into detail

@matzesingt  Its not as easy to just compare the damage. Why you will never lose a fight with R99 v's Flatline is for two main reasons, the recoil is harder to control on FL + the movement speed in ADS is slower than that of R99. You are basically a sitting duck with FL - if we both ADS each other, I will hit you in the head a hell of alot easier than you will me. Same case with r301 (ADS have terrible movement, and if you do try to ADS v's R99 you will die in a matter of seconds).That is why R99 outshines them by a lot, you still have very good recoil control + crazy damage + very good movement in ADS + and devastating hip fire.

These are the reasons as to why most people run R99 with a wingman, not because other famous people use them, people actually use their own brains - analyse and use what ever the meta is.

Mastiff is honestly only really good close up, it is not at all like the PK - that was efficient at also medium range.

If they want r301 to be an actual contender, they need to revert some of the nerfs. Also removing PK-Devotion as being care package weapons, and people might start using something else than a R99.

They also need to add more weapons with a fast ADS movement such like the R99.

Not sure why you are talking about recoil macros, recoil in this game is insanely easy to control - the only two weapons that are a struggle as far as recoil goes is Havok / FL in this game. The problem before was that with all the muzzle flash combined (meaning you could barley see what you shot at, made it soo much worst - currently that is not an issue, other than on L-star).

Also Shroud hasn't played this game since season 2-3, not sure why his opinion is worth mentioning here? We are talking about current season - I hope.

Ok first of all i play flatline most of the time and i also win alot of fights vs r99, so saying you wont lose with a r99 vs a flatline is simply not true.

Secondly the recoil of a flatline is not as bad as many people try to make it look like.While yes you are right the ads movement of a r99 is faster then 301 and flatline,but
it doesnt effect Slidespeed at all... If you lose a fight vs r99 cuz of that 36% movementspeed difference in ads then practising tracking might solve that issue allrdy,You dont stand infront of each other that often to exchange full clips.
And if you do and the r99 guy wont oneclip wich is actually most of the time not happening since even the best dont do consistently
Then the Reloadtime will mostlikely break your neck since its like 1.8sec tactical and 2.4sec full reload. That will be enough for every competent enemy to finish you off with the rest of their clip

Its in the end Still:

r99 full clip is still 297 dmg(body)
r301 392
Flatline 570
All with purple mags ofc
without mags the advantage shifts probably more into favor of Flatline and r301
And yes they will unload their whole clip untill you are done reloading

Im not saying they are better than r99 but they are sure as hell competetors
In the end Personal Preferance matters, and you can make them work without any problems if you want, in the case of Flatline it comes with more practise and co,but still
if you are used to it you can easy challange r99 players close range and easily on high range ofc

Shroud played in s5 aswell btw and he also said that recently and not in season 2 or something like that

Ok first of all i play flatline most of the time and i also win alot of fights vs r99, so saying you wont lose with a r99 vs a flatline is simply not true.

Secondly the recoil of a flatline is not as bad as many people try to make it look like.While yes you are right the ads movement of a r99 is faster then 301 and flatline,but it doesnt effect Slidespeed at all... If you lose a fight vs r99 cuz of that 36% movementspeed difference in ads then practising tracking might solve that issue allrdy, You dont stand infront of each other that often to exchange full clips.

And if you do and the r99 guy wont oneclip wich is actually most of the time not happening since even the best dont do consistently. Then the Reloadtime will mostlikely break your neck since its like 1.8sec tactical and 2.4sec full reload. That will be enough for every competent enemy to finish you off with the rest of their clip,without extended mags the advantage shifts probably more into favor of Flatline and r301, And yes they will unload their whole clip untill you are done reloading

Im not saying they are better than r99 but they are sure as hell competetors
In the end Personal Preferance matters, and you can make them work without any problems if you want, in the case of Flatline it comes with more practise and co,but still
if you are used to it you can easy challange r99 players close range and easily on high range ofc

Shroud played in s5 aswell btw and he also said that recently and not in season 2 or something like that

@NitromethaneAPShroud said this recently.

I play Flatline and i win alot of fights vs r99, if they dont oneclip they just die.

Ads speed doesnt matter that much cuz it doesnt effect sliding at all

@matzesingtI see, thought he left during start of season 3.

Well I like flatline too, but when it comes down to it - just feels a wee bit too inconsistent when compared to R99. Somedays you will lazer people, other times the hitback from the initial recoil messes you up big time. It seems really random the recoil, making it hard to adjust atleast for me. Perhaps im just not used to it.

Why I really like the R99 is the movement speed in ADS, wish there would be more weapons like it - instead of them nerfing it again.