Rank RP is Toxic
Plain and simple rank needs to be revamped at least in platinum plus expecting people to constantly win points wise and come out positive is just a terrible experience for majority of players. And af...
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@Apyhs Totally disagree. If you don't knock them or your team dies before they get finished you don't deserve the kill.
I also think that for every time this happens against you, it happens for you so it balances out.
I also think that for every time this happens against you, it happens for you so it balances out.
@hayhor Dont get me wrong. I don't want to get any points post death.
I'm talking about situation you survive. I have a lot encounters where the * hits the fan. We fight an other squad and the 3rd and fourth party are joining.
It is not uncommon i have just 2 kills but 1.2 to 2k damage then. Maybe one or two assists in addition at best.
In the worst situation you are se successor of hell and come out well beaten but alive. +20 and still not enough to pay the entry, while the dead ones can at least pay the entry RP fee.
I'm completely okay not become the campion or even get into top 10 squad. And if I die in this mayham I don't deserve any points.
I'm talking about situation you survive. I have a lot encounters where the * hits the fan. We fight an other squad and the 3rd and fourth party are joining.
It is not uncommon i have just 2 kills but 1.2 to 2k damage then. Maybe one or two assists in addition at best.
In the worst situation you are se successor of hell and come out well beaten but alive. +20 and still not enough to pay the entry, while the dead ones can at least pay the entry RP fee.
I'm completely okay not become the campion or even get into top 10 squad. And if I die in this mayham I don't deserve any points.
@Apyhsthat's the name of the game and in my opinion, many people get it wrong - the first prize is 1st place not 20 kills and top 10 which still in higher ranked will give you minimum amount of positive RP.
That's why pros play in a system where placement is much higher valued than kills and indeed finish with 2-5 kills and 2k damage and are totally fine with that.
But yeah that's boring sh for most of the people in the community I got that by this time after 7 month in the game - go 4k 20bomb and 0 brain <- if only there would be a badge for it :D- @Eshshshss But the 1st price is less payed than 20 kills. so it is a worse system. Thats my opinion.
If someone gets 100RP by beeing involved in 10 Kills but exits the match placed 8th,9th,10th
it should be less valueable than beeing placed 4th with just 2 kills.
Isnt this what you just said ? Placement > Killcount
Maybe RP rewards 4 kills just schould be reduced to make a higher placement way more valuable. The point of the game itself is 1st place I will agree. The point of ranked play is to rank up. The game is team based so communication (however you do it) is highly important as well as the ability to play as a team.
I do believe that changes to ranked play need to be made. Placement (RP) should be worth more than kills (RP). Revives and Re-Spawns should be awarded RP as well. With that in mind maybe an adjustment to my suggestion previously in this thread as a possible solution is mandated.
1. Remove the placement multiplier for kills.
2. Keep placement RP award as is.
3. Award 5 RP for each kill.
4. Award 2 RP for each assist .
5. Award 2 RP for each revive.
6. Award 5 RP for each re-spawn.
7. RP for kills and assists capped at 30 RP per game.
8. RP for revive or re-spawn capped at 20 RP per game.
9. keep the ranked entry cost the same or make them slightly more expensive seeing as points could now be gained for revive/re-spawning also.
10. Remove rank protection.
- @Apyhs based on my math skills (might be tempered given I just came back from workout, lack of glucose in the blood you know), here is what I came up with: https://prnt.sc/1xe99yc
In the screenshot you see MAX KP/Assist game RP per placement.
If we compare it with 2 kill (or any other combination of 2 KP) and 4th place it gives you 2*15+40= 70 RP which is worse result as soon as a max KP person finishes 10th or above.
The question I ask to myself is - what is easier for me:
a) go to 4th place without being involved in many fights = usual scenario here would be going for early KP from the drop and then just camp till the last zone.
b) get max KP = 6 points till top 10, meaning that I have to be involved in two, probably more like three or four fights before 10 teams die.
Simple math and you get 1 fight with a theoretical 50/50 chance on a drop to get early KP vs. two up to four fights in a fast(-er) sequence.
For me option A is more viable.
Also I keep in mind that 2 KP 3rd place will give me already 2*20+40 = 80 RP, 2nd accordingly 100 and 1st 150 points which respectively would be worse only if MAX KP game would end in TOP 8, TOP 6, TOP 3.
From this info my main conclusion is that if I get a chance of early and many KP I would aim for top 8 and top 6, maybe getting into some "extra" fight because if say I get 3 KP from the drop getting TOP 3 / 2 / 1 is probably harder than getting extra 3 KP from fights.
Yet if I don't get early KP, then for me pushing my luck later in a game and hope to get TOP 6 or TOP 3 place does not sound worth it, I rather settle for camping to the last ring and hope to get KP there and TOP 3 / 2 / 1 accordingly.
Finally on my level I am happy to have 2+ KP game in Diamond so all the theories about Max KP most of the time are not viable for me, I don't even focus on that as when I do I usually end up <15th place with <2 KP 🙂
For the person who maybe is better at shooting than reading rotations, other scenario would be more viable...
As for the system I don't see an issue in it besides the fact that you get only 1 assist and 1 kill per team, as mentioned earlier I would introduce 1 kill and 2 assists to reward all players in the team given they were alive a the point of enemy kill (including being knocked). - @Asmodeus566 as people said before respawns and revives are a slippery slope as it is quite easy to farm that - basically a teammate can just run in the open at the end the fight when people know that other team is basically dead.
Sure kills can and are farmed but there you depend on enemy team's ability to recover the banner and respawn the person that is not in your hands.
In case of revive and respawn all the cards would be in your team's hands so to say. Same like farming damage - you can all just agree to stop shooting before enemy recovers and then continue your farm.
As for the system it already rewards placement more than killpoints, the issue arise only because of matchmaking and/or player's focus on getting the kills - we all have seen that crazy player who goes into finishing a knocked down player in 1v1 situation just because he knows that it will be an easier KP vs going into 1v1.
