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Re: anyone else actually enjoying the game?

@Swarth2300Apex as a system outside of matchmaking has drastically improved. Many of the pain points in the bad map design are smoothed over too. However, the matchmaking algorithm and prejudiced loot system prevents any and all enjoyment in this game. Games where I get a full kit I go far, only to be killed by preds or cheaters. When I have competent teammates and not stupid bot behaving noobs (or just bots, but I'll never be able to prove it) I either match their kills and damage or far outshine them. Even a player who can only crack a shield on my team allows me to clean out enemy teams, but most of the time I have teammates who engage when they shouldn't, don't respond to pings, and can't aim or refuse to. I'm convinced this is on purpose.

Games where I land with 298341297482975429785928549275927845 P2020s 4 games in a row aren't fun. I'm convinced that the entire mission of Apex Legends is to feed average players to the highly skilled for youtube and twitch hype and literally nothing more. The entire business model revolves around exploiting players for whales.

Overwatch admitted that they would match one player with 5 underskilled players to even out the skill level in order to match with an enemy team of much higher skill than the 5. This is partly why the game died so fast. Call of Duty World War 2 also has a system where people who bought DLC are given easier lobbies. Now that everything is a 'games as a service' model, there's no telling what level of player exploitation is going on or how unfair the matchmaking really is, and because the game doesn't really display skill level numbers, there won't be a way to know unless its leaked.

I'm not giving EA any money, that's for sure. I hope Respawn rots. Too many stupid people buying their products though.

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  • Redmattgame's avatar
    Redmattgame
    4 years ago

    @PraetorOfOlea wrote:

    @Swarth2300Apex as a system outside of matchmaking has drastically improved. Many of the pain points in the bad map design are smoothed over too. However, the matchmaking algorithm and prejudiced loot system prevents any and all enjoyment in this game. Games where I get a full kit I go far, only to be killed by preds or cheaters. When I have competent teammates and not stupid bot behaving noobs (or just bots, but I'll never be able to prove it) I either match their kills and damage or far outshine them. Even a player who can only crack a shield on my team allows me to clean out enemy teams, but most of the time I have teammates who engage when they shouldn't, don't respond to pings, and can't aim or refuse to. I'm convinced this is on purpose.

    Games where I land with 298341297482975429785928549275927845 P2020s 4 games in a row aren't fun. I'm convinced that the entire mission of Apex Legends is to feed average players to the highly skilled for youtube and twitch hype and literally nothing more. The entire business model revolves around exploiting players for whales.




    I completely agree & I've been saying it for a while now that in many matches now some of us mere mortal players are merely there as cannon fodder & nothing more for the players with 10k plus kills under their belt.Merely struggling to find a weapon particularly in hotspots & if I do find a weapon it tends to be either a P2020 or Mozambique, that combined with bad matchmaking & a poor weapon & loot layout system across the maps in general doesn't make for an enjoyable or a remotely fun game to play.It's no wonder players are quitting the game in droves when Respawn are completely tinned eared regarding issues in the game.I have no issue taking on a Pred teams or even players a lot better than me but when they can somehow pick up a purple/gold body-shield & loaded up with decent weapons pretty much straight away when landing in a hotspot whilst I'm there with my white body-shield scrambling around for a weapon when it's pretty much a certainty they'll track you down within seconds & put you out of your unarmed misery.It's like being challenged to take part in a professional boxing match on the condition you have both arms tied behind your back.Hit box detection is terrible at the moment too.

  • CCbathwater's avatar
    CCbathwater
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    Stop landing with half the lobby if you want good gear before fighting? There are enough POI's (with loot in them) for every team. If you contest or get contested on landing you're in the hands of the rng Gods. The game becomes more and more random the more teams landing on each other.

  • @CCbathwater Sound advice but unfortunately you can't predict where everybody will land. All it takes is one team landing with me to knock out my teammates and then find me.
  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
    Hero
    4 years ago
    @PraetorOfOlea If you wait to jump you can guarantee a spot to land without anyone else just by watching trails leave the ship.
  • Eshshshss's avatar
    Eshshshss
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @Redmattgame indeed I agree to what @CCbathwater said, also you replied to your own question in your post = map has various loot level places (can be googled to give you some sense of what is better or worse place to drop on each map).

    On top of that there are hotspots which at least I personally see always being targeted by the best players or at least best pushers/shooters in the lobby, they have 0 doubt in their mind most of the time regarding where they will drop - straigh to hotdrop.

    So that instant decision making to be first to land, good/better mechanics gives players advantage of better loot straight out of the gate.

    What you can do to counter that?
    1. drop better, faster
    2. choose other more safe location yet with say 2nd best loot on the map
    3. develop tactics vs players with better loot - focus fire, 3rd party, ult combos or just purely avoiding them

    E.g. people do fear others with higher tier armors but usually the difference is just 2 tier = 25 damage = 1-2 bullets. If you fire first thanks to positional advantage and have somewhat competitive weapon - don't go into a fight with scopeless P2020 vs tricked out 301 - actually that advantage is still insignificant in my opinion same as tricked out guns in wrong hands = cases where you see better players still winning P2020 vs 301 fights or alike.
  • @Eshshshss Whenever I get the chance to be Jumpmaster believe me established hotspots like Fragment is the last place I'll be landing where I'll always tend to choose fringe areas where there is a chance to try & get half decent loot.But as you know there are pred teams who will delay landing & looking at smoke trails of various teams & effectively land on top of them & pick them off.There's also the issue of what happens when your not Jumpmaster & teammates choose to land in hotspots or areas that you van clearly see are heavily populated where you try to warn teammates by pinging (I don't use headphones when playing with random teammates) but they choose to land there regardless.You & others may choose to land somewhere else & play a solo game but I'll reluctantly land with teammates with the consequences.But there is no skirting away from the fact that the game suffers from an unbalanced weapon & loot system (like when opening a chest & discovering 3 white backpacks or 3 Thermite Grenades etc) that will often have players struggling in situations like I've often encountered like opening half a dozen chests & trawl entire buildings & not find a single weapon but plenty of shotgun barrels or sniper stocks.

    You can wax lyrical about firing first when in a positional advantage but when your competing against teams with Bloodhound's & Seers who'll track you in a heartbeat & the constant 3rd partying any advantage can go out the window.And with Octane's leap pad landing exploits,tap strafing,Tap jumping,audio issues,Stryker packs (& other exploits) that give players aiming & zero recoil exploits etc that will stack the odds against you.
  • Eshshshss's avatar
    Eshshshss
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @Redmattgame honestly I choose based on situations when these stupid drops happen. If I see e.g. my squad going into a place with 3+ teams especially with higher rank dive trails (recent ones) I tend to split and drop solo, then try to pick them up (because they die 99.999% of a time of course). It just makes total sense to me that me surviving via normal drop is still better than a suicide mission especially with people who think they are rembo but in reality they are like Homer Simpson :P

    As for the Predators and not even them, just sneaking players - yes they tend to drop late, change their drops etc. But that's just a game tactics, any good as any other.

    If they drop late = you will 100% of a time land faster, if you land faster, you should get to the best spots and land on any weapon as even P2020 is still better than punching people. So it is all about timing, comms, knowing the maps and places.
    If you drop and go for the bins which as you said can be as random as 3 bags... that is your f-up in my opinion and instead of going for bins you had to choose a place that has items dropped on the floor = more likely to be not bags :D
    Worst case, coordinated drop so that it is a fair boxing match or even better you land on top of 1-2 enemies and have a man advantage.

    p.s. not using microphone (I guess that's what you mean by "headphones") is a big disadvantage as well. I use it every game even when I am not trying.

  • @Eshshshss wrote:
    @Redmattgame 
    If you drop and go for the bins which as you said can be as random as 3 bags... that is your f-up in my opinion and instead of going for bins you had to choose a place that has items dropped on the floor = more likely to be not bags :D
    Worst case, coordinated drop so that it is a fair boxing match or even better you land on top of 1-2 enemies and have a man advantage.

    p.s. not using microphone (I guess that's what you mean by "headphones") is a big disadvantage as well. I use it every game even when I am not trying.

    So opening a random chest & discovering 3 bags (or backpacks I guess you mean) is my fu%k-up & not genuine a fu%k-up in the game that's great logic on your part.As you say it's your opinion which to me isn't worth much but if you don't see any issues or problems in the game such as match-making,audio,teammate shortages.disconnects, screen freezing,game stuttering,lag spikes,lag spikes,persistent server issues (or is there no dodgy servers in the game & we're just playing with dodgy internet as others claim).But as long as your enjoying the game that's alright then (which is what this thread is all about) just don't expect some of us to share the same levels of enthusiasm.

  • pandareno1999's avatar
    pandareno1999
    Hero+
    4 years ago

    I'm enjoying the game tremendously.  I'm making big improvements and the game is not suffering from issues affecting me very much, outside of the several days following launch and the last patch.  My biggest issues in previous seasons were matchmaking and team fill.  While neither has been perfect by any means, both have been much better for me overall.

  • Eshshshss's avatar
    Eshshshss
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @Redmattgame indeed I don't see a problem in the case where I open a pill and there are 3 bags = 3 people on a team who all might need a bag would be really happy about such bin.

    Recently to be honest I had at least 1 case that I can remember where I opened a regular (red) pill and found 1 stack of sniper ammo in it, at first I though it is a glitch and it was looted just for me showed as closed, but maybe not. This type of pill might be somewhat of a concern but I really have had such case with 1 item in a pill only once, as far as I can remember that is 🙂
  • @Eshshshss There are some quite funny footage/montages on youtube dedicated to various players reactions to the ridiculousness of what they received upon opening various chests in the game.But the biggest joke of it is that many of us have experienced the same thing either 3 sniper stock,3 back packs,3 thermite grenades etc in the same chest it just makes the game a bit of a mockery.I've experienced scenarios in the game (where similar occurances can be seen in these footahes) where upon opening various chests nothing appears until 2,3 or 4 seconds later so whether that's game lag or some game algorithm dictating/re-arranging what loot you should be getting ( or as some cynics may say is rigging the game against you).

    On a separate note though if anyone (many of us!) thought Apex servers can be temperamental & quite bad at times try playing Fifa 22 against other players online what an absolute disgrace the servers are.High ping issues,random slow-down & sped-up gameplay(like out of an episode of The Flash).game freezing, disconnects.But ultimately it's another EA game so I guess it's to be expected.
  • Eshshshss's avatar
    Eshshshss
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    Maybe we have reached the ultimate capacity of "the cloud" 🙂 finally, the internet can't keep up with the demand.

    Get ready to store your pictures on memory cards / CDs instead of Instagram or cloud storage :P

  • @Eshshshss The problem is with the infrastructure, it's stupid to yell at the servers because of lag / high ping. It is well known that the internet is not optimized for realtime applications and that the network hardware technology is 10-20 years behind the demand.

    Cloud storage is an issue as much as the traffic it creates. Streaming and remote work / meetings are the biggest congestion makers right now.

  • Eshshshss's avatar
    Eshshshss
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @DoYaSeeMe if you say so, I have not much knowledge in this fields, just logically thinking that there should be a limit. As you said a lot of "extra" traffic has appeared during COVID years and it is no surprise to me if it is affecting games like Apex as well.

    And honestly I don't have an issue with servers, more annoying are the players who intentionally use software to disrupt the connection and make them laggy for others no to mention ones who manage to crash the whole loby if killed 🙂
  • Eshshshss's avatar
    Eshshshss
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @DoYaSeeMe these guys lost me after 5 min :D not too smart for this stuff or patient to listen 1h talk, time for Apex instead :D

    Thanks for sharing though, I am sure for people who want to dig into this piece of info it will be very useful and educational!

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