CRONUS-ZEN ISSUE
XBOX and PlayStation are being over run with cronus-zens. Why hasn't anything been done to stop it from ruining everyone's game yet? On top of the usual game issues such as, Getting shot through door...
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@GmAnZ1000 Because EA doesn't care about cheaters, same problem on BF2042 You can always tell who is using it, they nail you with every shot from across the map. Besides if you Read EA's ToS and other anti-cheat literature they limit their language to 3rd party software cheating, the Cronus-zen and other Console Tuners are 3rd party Hardware based cheats, so unless EA makes some changes they technically are legal
- @Fr0d0T34B4gg1n5 The ToS is quite clear with these things.
Using software or 3rd party devices to gain an unfair advantage over others.
They are indeed 3rd party devices. The big problem with those in my opinion is proving someone is using one. While a few games claim to detect them they also throw off false positives. So its not a perfected system for me to count it as a success. I amsure in the future things like that will be easier to detect for all companies as AI gets improved on.
Overall though all those are 3rd party devices being used to gain an unfair advantage over others.This is directly from the EA ToS
Use or distribute unauthorized software programs or tools (such as "auto", "macro", hack or cheat software), or use exploits, bugs or problems in an EA Service to gain unfair advantage.
An Unauthorized Third-Party Program is a third-party program or file (such as a "add-on", "mod", "hack", "trainer", or "cheat") that EA believes (i) enables or facilitates cheating of any type; (ii) allows users to modify or hack the game interface, environment, and/or experience in any way not expressly authorized by EA; or (iii) intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the game.
Until EA changes the wording in the ToS they are "Technically" not banned as they are Hardware not software based, but I agree they do violate the nature of it, but when it comes down to splitting hairs EA chose its wording poorly and went with the very specific term of "software" not Hardware or Devices.
"Until EA changes the wording in the ToS they are "Technically" not banned as they are Hardware not software based, but I agree they do violate the nature of it, but when it comes down to splitting hairs EA chose its wording poorly and went with the very specific term of "software" not Hardware or Devices."
Uh you are wrong about that, the device your are talking about has it's own software and if one is using the device they are using the 3rd party software.
So just to be clear that does fall under the ToS and would be a violation of that. There is no loophole.
@Fr0d0T34B4gg1n5As @Asmodeus566 said even if these products are hardware that you have to physically install, it has a software that runs the cheats that people use and thats a 3rd party software.
I see a lot of misunderstanding in people's posts regarding this, thinking that couse its not a PC/Console program its not software based. Every piece of hardware that you connect to a game device needs its own software to run.@Asmodeus566 @DeepBeats So my point is that with the broad terms EA has used, things like 3rd party voice chat could be considered a cheat program being that you can gain an unfair advantage over players by being in a voice chat and someone spectating/statpadding/cheating. IE there is legitimate use like there is with the Cronus and Titan for controllers on consoles and there is nefarious use which most of the consoles running this are doing. However the rules don't make a distinction other than to say it is at the whim of what EA Believes not even what they can prove. So according to what I am hearing from you all is that if there is a possible nefarious use it's banned because its a 3rd party software. So when are people going to start getting banned for using Discord and Team-speak over the EA approved and provided in-game voice chat?
I do understand that for any hardware to work it needs software to send it commands. My point to this is that just like Discord can be run on a separate device such as your cell phone, does this now mean EA has permission to ban me or scan my cell phone? No, they prolly don't even know when someone is cheating/statpadding whatever that way. So too is the Titan and Cronus the software they use cant be scanned by EA cause they only have permission to check for Software running not Hardware devices on our systems and EA only checks to see if you are running cheat programs such as dll hookers/modded files. These devices are entirely separate and run no program except what is internal to their Hardware. My whole point to this is EA has to scan for a HARDWARE ID not software to ban these devices and the Terms of Service only covers 3rd party software not hardware.
- @Fr0d0T34B4gg1n5 I will try to clear some things up here.
Using any device that can alter in game mechanics is bannable. Trying to bypass things is bannable. Trying to remove the mechanic of recoil control is bannable as it automates that mouses movement to ensure it can be hitting in a straight line.
Another one
Use or distribute unauthorized software programs or tools (such as "auto", "macro", hack or cheat software), or use exploits, bugs or problems in an EA Service to gain unfair advantage.
A lot of those devices do live time edits which is against the rules as well to edit files that are not supposed to be edited. There is quite a few rules these devices would fall under.
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