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Re: Just witnessed the most bot team win

@reconzeroWith aim assist, the average controller player will have a much higher accuracy than the average mouse user. So it's not a small percentage, nor are they abusing it. That part of your statement doesn't really make a lot of sense to me.

You can look up stats from other games that have a lot of aim assist as well. There's some very damning charts from Halo Infinite, and it showed just how much of a disadvantage you were trying to use a mouse. I tried playing the game when it released. Aim assist does stick to players, and that's not because it's a third party software aimbot, it's just your regular aim assist. Which could be argued that it is in fact an aim bot. It's a script that tracks an enemy for the player, but it's a "legal" aim bot because it was put into the game by the developers.

I'm not sure if Apex has a "snap to target" like BF2042 has, but there is certainly a lot of rotational assist in the game. Once you're on target, it will absolutely stick if you know how to move your sticks in a way that promotes that. And I'm not talking about tracking with the joystick, it's if you strafe while ADS, it will then stick to the target. If you don't strafe correctly, it doesn't stick as well. It's like that in most games I've tried with AA. It sticks a lot more if you just simply strafe a little bit.

This is always how the discussion goes unfortunately. Fair is that no one gets aim assist, and if you want to be top dog in a PC game, then you should have to use a mouse. That would be fair. It's not about fair, and I think fair competition is a fallacy anyways, but when they're trying to sell us on a competitive game, that's where the issue lies.

I wouldn't care about aim assist nearly as much if the game was designed around something other than just trying to win gunfights. When I have 1,000's of hours using a mouse and keyboard across multiple FPS games, have gear that's all the lowest latency including my monitor, use my arm on my 19" x 19" mouse pad to aim, to just get beat by someone that's using their thumbs... that's insulting. I don't know how else to put it.

Imagine iRacing being taken over by controllers because they gave them assist in racing. So you could either put together $2,500 racing rig, or just use a $50 controller to win races. It's the same thing here, but it's been normalized for some reason, mostly because of consoles. Which I don't have any issue with consoles themselves.

Switching to a mouse would definitely take time, but if you already understand how to play, it should be a bit easier. I grew up using a controller, and no way I could go back. So I'm sure you could pick it up just fine if you were motivated enough, like anything else.

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  • OldTreeCreeper's avatar
    OldTreeCreeper
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    7 months ago

    @WhoopFighter 

    I dont think you could argue that aim assist is aimbot at all. Afaik they are 2 completely different things.

    I play on console, but i am always suprised that m&k pc players complain about aim assist. Theres no way i can compete on a controller against the range and speed of movement and response times on m&k, as an ordinary player.

    By the way, clarity again please, what fellow volunteer are you talking about? Thanks

  • WhoopFighter's avatar
    WhoopFighter
    7 months ago

    @OldTreeCreeper wrote:

    @WhoopFighter 

    I dont think you could argue that aim assist is aimbot at all. Afaik they are 2 completely different things.

    I play on console, but i am always suprised that m&k pc players complain about aim assist. Theres no way i can compete on a controller against the range and speed of movement and response times on m&k, as an ordinary player.

    By the way, clarity again please, what fellow volunteer are you talking about? Thanks


    I wrote a lengthy response, but it got deleted, or it's being looked at since it had links? So this will be shorter and to the point.

    Aim assist is a form of an aimbot. They can both work the same way depending on what you're using and the parameters you give it. The amount of assist players get now days with a controller, if I had seen that a decade ago, I would have called that a "soft lock aimbot".

    How about this, you think Xim is cheating? I don't think you even understand what it does. It EMULATES a controller so that you can use a mouse instead. It can't do anything different then what a controller can do. So if you think aim assist with a mouse using Xim is cheating, then think about that for a bit. It's only doing what's possible with a controller. I'm aware the new one has recoil scripts now, but people still use the old ones, and then there's a lot of people that don't use the anti-recoil functions. Also, you will not get banned for simply using a Xim, you know why? Because it doesn't do anything that a controller can't already do.

    If you were actually interested in this topic you could easily search for things like Apex accuracy charts, Halo Infinite, and so on. There's charts for Apex R5 and Halo Infinite that clearly show that there's a BIG advantage to using a controller with aim assist. There's also a good article on the Washington post about the kid that won the Fortnite solo tournament, and when he won, he said "thanks to aim assist" lol.

    When you responded to me defending your earlier post, I read it as you were defending a follow volunteer, I didn't realize it was just you again. I do think you were over policing the forums and being weird about the cheat thing. I don't think that's how you should be moderating a forum. You're being a tool is my point.

  • OldTreeCreeper's avatar
    OldTreeCreeper
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    7 months ago

    @WhoopFighter 

    Simply put, i dont think any cheating is ok, yet it appears you do. Name calling is really childish.

    I had a lengthy discussion at one stage with someone who fundamentally understood the difference between aim assist and aimbot and they explained it to me. Perhaps you need to do a bit more searching and not just make assumptions and assertions.

  • WhoopFighter's avatar
    WhoopFighter
    7 months ago

    @OldTreeCreeperWho is this person? What is their credibility. Clearly I've done more research than you, and I've given you what you need in order to read up on the subject, yet you never will.

    You are overreaching a bit as a moderator. I think it's childish to chime in and say "you better not even hint at cheating, otherwise you're gonna get banned". Then to follow up, "thanks for clarifying that you in fact did not recommend someone to cheat". Seriously dude? Let conversations naturally form, you don't need to police things before they happen. If you didn't have the volunteer badge, I wouldn't have said anything, but you're sporting it, so there is some responsibility with that.

    Using a Xim is not cheating, and that's an opinion. Saying that is outright cheating is another opinion, not fact. It cannot do anything different than what a regular controller can do. It emulates, doesn't change the function in any way.