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Re: Perfect Teammate Match & Finding System

FYI yesterday had the best experience ever - 5+h in the game with literally 0 good games...
And the saddest part is that I played with so many players along the way even multi-season masters (who did end up being trash like most of them in my experience be it from human interaction or play or both perspectives).

The takeaway from my experience yesterday I want to say that even if SBMM becomes great stats are not the only thing you can base your success rate off given there is so much more that makes team a team and many of those factors are not measures:

- how good and accurate coms are e.g. yesterday had many cases where people called out incorrect coms or did not talk after being knocked, also typical case with not good Gibby on the team blocking mags of your shots and grenades with seemingly random bubbles

- how willing people are to listen and not expect other two to follow him/her all the time (usually problem with Masters who just assert their dominance by the fact they are masters and expect others to follow just because of that)

- game awareness and ability to read rotations - still having many games in Diamond level where people just create so much problems just because they get kill-fenzy and forget about everything else. Yesterday alone had 3 games where we died in zone and one time even to wildlife because one member really needed purple lightmag :D (on damn Diamond level!)

- ability to stick with the team, make it work - many people who are otherwise good in many cases just quit after a game or two as soon as they see that team they have at the moment is not overpowering the lobbies, not winning most of the games in positive RP. Similar how Preds farm SA servers many lower level players who are actually high ranked do farm regular lobbies by quitting as soon as they don't have this overpowering feeling and just keep looking for best of the best teammates instead of sticking with what they have and making it work. I personally did that yesterday, tried to provide feedback and teach my Gibby comrade not to die in the open so often, lost tons of RP and in a way, I do question myself should I do that again or just switch as soon as I see not so good teammates?!...

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  • Asmodeus566's avatar
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    4 years ago

    @EREGDS 

    like I said before top 2.5-5% will struggle with playing if they are playing solo due to MMR and the mixed bag of players you may are may not get.

    You need to get out there and engage with people and find players you can play with. Ask youself the honest question is it me or them.

    Here is a good article I read today see the line typed in RED below:

    Apex Legends MMR Feature Explained

    Check Reddit and other social media platforms about Apex Legends, and you will quickly find that there are players who are not happy with the ranked game mode in the battle royale title. As such, it eventually pushed the Respawn developer, Samy Duc, to address this on Twitter.

    As caught by the Reddit user Voyddd, the user shared an image of the tweet from the developer that deals directly with what many consider to be the currently “broken” state of ranked. Duc tackles this head-on, revealing that it is not broken after all but working as intended. 

    The reason behind this is the Apex Legends MMR feature, which deals with matchmaking players in ranked mode, not necessarily based on the actual rank that the player is, but their skill and performance. This is a separate way of handling it from the actual rank that you have. 

    Because of this, the Apex Legends MMR will sometimes queue players up in ranked matches with others who are way out of their league, at least on paper with their respective ranks. While this seemed broken to players before, it is working as it should be right now. 

    MMR Is Separate From Actual Rank

    The Apex Legends MMR is a completely separate way of handling a user’s skill in the game from the ranked tiers you are at. It is essentially a hidden stat that exists in the backend of the game. You do not view this in the same way that you can see that you are the Gold rank.

    This hidden feature measures your skill and performance in battle royale matches and will adjust your matchmaking accordingly. What this means in practice is that the Apex Legends MMR element does not equal your rank at all; in fact, you can be the same MMR as someone but a different rank entirely. 

    This means that you could have, for instance, a Bronze player who is just now getting into the ranked grind and will queue up with someone higher than them, like a Silver or Gold rank player. This person is a much higher rank, yet they are playing together at the same time. 

    This is not because the ranked system in Apex Legends is broken like players previously thought, but actually that the MMR is coming into play here. Though the Bronze and Gold players might be in completely different ranked tiers, their MMR skills might be the same. 

    Players Can Match With People in Different Tiers

    This means that the performance of the two players is on par with one another, leading them to be matched up with one another, even though they are in different ranked tiers. While this seems broken, and understandably so, the game is trying to match you with people around your skill level. 

    In some cases, this means you will be matched with people not in the same tier or rank as you, but this is working as intended. The goal is to make it so that you are challenged and matched with 59 other players who are roughly in the same pool of talent.

    Furthermore, the Apex Legends MMR also comes into play with the Apex Predators and Master ranks out there at the top of the leaderboards. The problem with these two ranks is that so few of them exist in each region. 

    Those higher-ranked players who queue up by themselves will find it extremely hard to find other people to play with online, especially since the other Apex Predators out there will usually team up with one another online. 

    Should Apex Legends Have a Separate Queue for Solo Players?

    So, if you are a high-ranked solo player, you will find that you have no one in your same tier that you can match with, so the game will turn around and give you a lower-ranked player who is roughly the same MMR as you. Though they might be a lower tier, they are supposed to have about the same skill as you, so it should not be too much of an issue.

    That said, as we can see in the comments on the Reddit post, this Apex Legends MMR explanation does not solve all of the complaints about some players. One user noted in the comments that it must be extremely hard in Arenas to find other ranked players if they are paired with two level 10 players against a trio of stacked Diamond players. 

    Another player commented with a similar matchmaking issue with two Bronze rank players in Arenas while they are a Platinum rank and then was destroyed by a team that had two Master ranked players on it. One player came up with a possible solution to the problem. 

    They noted that the game should have two separate ranked modes: the solo players out there and the other for premade teams. Some users responded, complaining about the game not having enough players to make this work, but it honestly is a feature that I think should be in the game. There would at least be a little bit more balance for the solo queueing players out there. Cody Perez - Author

  • Asmodeus566's avatar
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    4 years ago

    @BaldWraithSimp 

    Read the whole article. It specifically talks about the hidden mmr and 59 other players. That would mean it is talking about  the battle royal mode.

  • I actually haven’t had trouble with random teammates recently. Seems like most people are willing to head to the nearest fight. That’s really all I ask tbh.

    But I hopped on Warzone recently, apparently there’s this feature where you can slot yourself into 2 categories, ‘Hotdrop’ or ‘Slow & Tactical’

    You queue up with teammates who chose the same option as you.

    Apex needs that, for the long term
  • EREGDS's avatar
    EREGDS
    4 years ago
    @Asmodeus566 thanks, good piece of info.

    It sheds some light on the topic yet it is still quite clear, that SBMM and MMR is not clear at all, in many cases does not provide the desired result and your success in the game if you aim especially at levels like diamond 4+ requires a set party / depends on that fact A LOT, otherwise you have to siv through thousands of players who actually are not at your level even if MMR thinks they are...
  • Asmodeus566's avatar
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    4 years ago

    @EREGDS 

    No problem. I found it to be a good read. Thanks for the XP. Good luck out there and have a wonderful day.